Avengers: Age of Ultron- Grading & Discussion (spoilerific)

[Skywalker]

Marvel's comic book movies are too much like the comic books! Save us, DC!

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Marvel's comic book movies are too much like the comic books! Save us, DC!

We have the X-Men movies for that. Haha



DC/WB are (presumably) making action-dramas comic book movies.

I'd say the Rami Spider-Man movies were the most like comic book like.

 

[suarezguy]

I thought the second film did a pretty good job in showing that Black Widow and Hawkeye were a lot less powerful than the others and needed to use tech but, in doing so, could still be badass.

 

[Gaith]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around someone saying "fight scene became a hollow spectacle" with any kind of straight face. I love the movies, but if they aren't spectacle I don't know what is.

It is a somewhat odd remark to make about a movie whose core plot is that two super-geniuses are too stupid to not plug a magic alien artifact previously owned by two sets of villains straight into their mainframe. They obviously went to the same IT Security course as that Q kid who didn't think twice about plugging a master hacker's laptop directly into MI6's system.



Now, about that title once more...

Someone on the fanedit.org forums is making a fan edit of this movie called Avengers: Rage of Ultron. Seems to me that this would have made a better official title, partly because a few days hardly constitutes an "age", partly because the word "rage" is rather significantly used in the movie, whereas "age" is not, and also the synonym for anger rhymes nicely with TWOK.

 

[Tosk]

The movie covers the events of Ultron's birth, life, and death. So Age of Ultron is absolutely correct...you're just reading it wrong.

 

[Forbin]

Well, the title is borrowed fro the short comic series where Ultron did take over the Earth, and thus had an "age."

I finally saw it this weekend, and enjoyed the hell out of it. As an old Avengers fan since the 60s, I was slightly bothered by things like Hawkeye's out-of-the-blue family* and the total lack of Hank Pym in the Ultron story, and Quicksilver's death (?!!?). But I still loved it.

*In the comics, Hawkeye is basically a horndog. He's had relationships with Black Widow, Mockingbird, Scarlet Witch, the Wasp...

 

[Gaith]

The movie covers the events of Ultron's birth, life, and death. So Age of Ultron is absolutely correct...you're just reading it wrong.

Yeah, I've heard that explanation before. It's still lame.

Well, the title is borrowed fro the short comic series where Ultron did take over the Earth, and thus had an "age."

Lame borrowing is lame.

 

[Kirby]

It's funny, I tried watching this twice on DVD now and fell asleep both times at the farm.
I gave this a B+ when it first came out, but now I may have to downgrade this to a C+. I'm just not feeling it like I do most of the Marvel movies, there is little re-watchability on this one.

 

[Forbin]

Well, the title is borrowed fro the short comic series where Ultron did take over the Earth, and thus had an "age."

Lame borrowing is lame.

Marketing.

 

[JD]

At the 14:09 mark, one of the most spot-on statements (of many) from the Cinema Sins video:

Also, having your most useless superhero joke about his uselessness does NOT excuse his inclusion in The Avengers over other heroes with real, actual powers.

That was addressing Hawkeye, but it also applies to the overused Black Widow, who should be dead considering the out-of-her-league battles / stunts she's tossed in with ridiculous regularity.

That's superheroes for you. But it's not as though it's the only genre that skews power levels for dramatic effect.

That's superheroes for you. But it's not as though it's the only genre that skews power levels for dramatic effect.

the difference is that Black Widow & Hawkeye are just regular humans with the kid of training and weapons that by all rights should be ineffective, and place their heads on the chopping block in every super-powered fight.

The brainless versions of Jedi in the Star Wars prequels were powered by the force, and could do much, but even they were falling like dominoes--even against adversaries that were not as powerful (the clones, laughable Trade Federation droids, etc.).

In the Marvel movies, regular humans leap, roll and are slammed around, with hardly a serious injury, which is as unrealistic in the films as it is in the comics.

In the Marvel movies, regular humans leap, roll and are slammed around, with hardly a serious injury, which is as unrealistic in the films as it is in the comics.

Yes.

Technically Captain America doesn't have super powers either. He's been enhanced to the peak of human abilities, but I don't believe they are actually at a superhuman level, so you could say the same things about him.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

i don't know, the guy jumps out of a plane into the ocean without a parachute and down a building ont stone pavements without so much as a scratch. I don't think that is with in the bounds human peak abilities.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^The latter was with his impact-absorbing shield cushioning the fall, FWIW.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Technically Captain America doesn't have super powers either. He's been enhanced to the peak of human abilities, but I don't believe they are actually at a superhuman level, so you could say the same things about him.

Think about what "peak of human abilities" means--that's beyond any "best" athlete or soldier who ever lived, and has the ability to recuperate unlike any regular human, along with fighting skills, or rather an understanding of fighting that surpasses any trained agent/soldier.

i don't know, the guy jumps out of a plane into the ocean without a parachute and down a building ont stone pavements without so much as a scratch. I don't think that is with in the bounds human peak abilities.

Add his handling the impact of Thor's hammer strike; yeah, we know the shield absorbed it, but Thor is a super-powered being, so even his strikes--hammer or not--are devastating, and would have crushed an ordinary man holding that shield. Cap staggered, but Hawkeye or Black Widow would have been killed by that blow.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

MCU Cap =/= comics Cap when it comes to power level. Cap has done lots of things that are clearly superhuman in the movies. In addition to what's already been mentioned, I believed he ripped the door off a car in TFA, ripped a log in half in AoU, easily caught a shield thrown by the Winter Soldier's superstrong cybernetic arm, temporarily stopped a car from falling straight down in AoU (until the car itself broke under the strain), etc, etc.

 

[Star Wolf]

MCU Cap =/= comics Cap when it comes to power level. Cap has done lots of things that are clearly superhuman in the movies. In addition to what's already been mentioned, I believed he ripped the door off a car in TFA, ripped a log in half in AoU, easily caught a shield thrown by the Winter Soldier's superstrong cybernetic arm, temporarily stopped a car from falling straight down in AoU (until the car itself broke under the strain), etc, etc.

And on Agents of SHIELD they had Deathlok push a tractor across a football field with the line that he didn't match what Captain America's record

 

[JD]

I forgot about a lot of that stuff to be honest.