So, what, she is a cylon now?
What is it with Adama showing up and all these comparisons to BSG starting the same moment?
Well the name Caderon is a Miami Vice reference.
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Well the name Caderon is a Miami Vice reference.
The whole SHIELD vs “real” SHIELD reminds me of Galactica vs Pegasus in BSG or USS Voyager vs the USS Equinox in Trek. I wouldn’t be surprised the soon-to-happen events in “Ultron” shakes things up and both SHIELDs are forced to combine forces and work together for the greater good.
Coulson and Skye show up and save Gonzales from a bunch of Ultrons? And then Coulson says "this is the world we live in now, we need people like her out here protecting us, not locked away".
I suspect this storyline will over with long before The Age Of Ultron comes out.
Nick Fury is going to be in hiding still?
What Coulson is going to take away from the current storyline if that even though this lot are a pack of delusional ###holes, that they are probably right that Fury is a bad guy.
What Coulson is going to take away from the current storyline if that even though this lot are a pack of delusional ###holes, that they are probably right that Fury is a bad guy.
Calderon is the shorn-headed guy played by Kirk Acevedo of Fringe and 12 Monkeys.
And yes, they have been shown to have some unlikeable traits, but they were downright heroic in the flashbacks. Give the writers some credit for intelligence. These aren't some kind of simplistic black-hat or white-hat characters. They're complex, human characters with a lot of ambiguities. That's what makes them interesting. The best conflicts in fiction are the ones where you can sympathize with both sides.
So, what, she is a cylon now?
What is it with Adama showing up and all these comparisons to BSG starting the same moment?
I only just realized that in the flashbacks, we had two BSG veterans, Edward James Olmos and Lucy Lawless, on the same team.
They'll probably try to kill Coulson if they can't convert him and they'd want to kill Skye for the threat they think she represents. In the end they'll just terrorist not that much different from Decima on Person Of Interest.
Why not imprison Coulson in case his considerable skills can be utilized to their advantage?
He is "possibly" a time bomb.
They're afraid that an alien personality is likely to jump into the driving seat at the least absolutely beneficial moment and turn the tables on Earth.
Not S.H.I.E.L.D. but the entire damn planet.
Phil Coulson is one of the people afraid that this might happen, which was what the Director said last week when talking to Adama.
They're afraid that an alien personality is likely to jump into the driving seat at the least absolutely beneficial moment and turn the tables on Earth.
Not S.H.I.E.L.D. but the entire damn planet.
Phil Coulson is one of the people afraid that this might happen, which was what the Director said last week when talking to Adama.
What little sympathy I had left after their unprovoked attack on Coulson's base was promptly undone by Agent Francis's team going hunting for Skye. They weren't trying to arrest her, they were trying to murder her.
Fury needs to come back and sort this mess out 
This phoney shield needs putting down by Coulson and co though the more I watch it, the more I feel this is going to tie into next years Captain America Civil War with two different factions. (PS - that title annoys me as its seems to be as much of an Iron Man Movie)
This phoney shield needs putting down by Coulson and co though the more I watch it, the more I feel this is going to tie into next years Captain America Civil War with two different factions. (PS - that title annoys me as its seems to be as much of an Iron Man Movie)
That's just cause you like her.
If she can one day trigger earthquakes that can halve the land mass of continents, then she is an uncalled for risk to humanity and the planet.
And that's just if she's a dunce who cannot control her powers.
Imagine Skye with times a thousand the super powers, as a super villain with a decent plan for world domination?
She should be put down.
But here's how you are right.
The "council" didn't talk about it, or no one told Bobbie what the plan was, that the council had approved Daisy's extermination. If Calderon was working to his own playbook without approval then that means that council is still good, but ineffective that it can't even control itself god forbid S.H.I.E.L.D. as it factionalizes further under a new civil war inside the boundaries of new S.H.I.E.L.D.
How much of new S.H.I.E.L.D. belongs to Bobbie that if she's pissed by the killorder on Skye that she can sign over X to Coulson's S.H.I.E.L.D., if not the entire organization?
Raina was the enemy long before she became an Inhuman. Remember, she abducted and tortured Coulson, worked for Hydra, and attempted to coerce the team into letting her abduct Skye. And then, Raina went and killed two of the men under Simmons's command.
Her hatred of Raina has more to do with Raina's choices than with Raina's porcupine needles.
.... you are not watching Agents of SHIELD. I'm not sure what doppleganger television program you are watching, but Agents of SHIELD had a really important scene this week where Simmons made very clear the fact that she loves Skye and wants to protect her.
Yes, she is afraid of Skye's powers. She is afraid that those powers, incapable of being controlled, might harm others and/or might harm Skye. Yes, this is making Skye feel alienated. Yes, Simmons is arguably mis-handling the situation.
This does not mean she hates Skye.
Why does it look like a decent possibility? Because she was willing to provide medical treatment to someone who was injured?
That's certainly possible, but I hope not. I want Fitz and Simmons to get together at the end of the season, dagnambit!
If that were the case, why didn't they just try to kill Hunter after it was clear he wasn't going to join them?
You must have missed the part where Bobbi specifically instructed the Gonzalez!SHIELD team members to use icers only and to make sure not to use deadly force against Skye, as Skye is a fellow SHIELD agent.
Yeah, Calderon decided to try to kill her instead. He was disobeying Bobbi's orders by doing so -- and Bobbi, it is very important to note, warned Skye by calling out to her, thereby allowing Skye to take defensive action to save herself.
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I'm still puzzling out how Gonzalez!SHIELD has been operating an aircraft carrier if they don't have the support of a government. The only thing I can think is that they've been hiding out aboard the Iliad since SHIELD fell and maybe have some fantastical tech to keep the U.S. Navy off their trail. They almost certainly have to have worked out a supply chain to keep food coming aboard, but maybe Gonzalez's position as a senior agent in SHIELD gave him access to some more secret funding sources we don't yet know about. It would help if there are, indeed, only about 50-100 agents in Gonzalez!SHIELD, all living aboard the Iliad.
(And thanks to everyone who corroborated that it was the Iliad, not the Elliot!)
The planes can go invisible, so why can't the aircraft carrier?
(I'm saying that it can.)
No one is getting paid.
However, like the Punisher, every time they take down terrorists or a criminal, instead of using seized cash and resources as evidence to build towards a case, they just keep it.
Which really means we are looking at profit sharing.
If the Iliad monetizes a Hydra Hive into a billion dollars during the course of one afternoon, every one on the ship gets 0.2 percent of that.
(I'm saying that it can.)
No one is getting paid.
However, like the Punisher, every time they take down terrorists or a criminal, instead of using seized cash and resources as evidence to build towards a case, they just keep it.
Which really means we are looking at profit sharing.
If the Iliad monetizes a Hydra Hive into a billion dollars during the course of one afternoon, every one on the ship gets 0.2 percent of that.
They probably did a Kickstarter.
There were three things I loved about this episode: Simmons taking down Bobbie, using brains over gymnastics; Hunter showing up and accepting Coulson's offer; and Mack saving Fitz from the explosion-- I really don't want Mack to be a bad guy.
The flashbacks to the HYDRA uprising were interesting. They made sure to emphasize the heroism of all the "real SHIELD" characters, and to make it clear that they also want a new kind of SHIELD. However, their commando tactics against their fellow agents were not very honorable, and we learned that Coulson has been trying to track down Gonzalez all these months; so Gonzalez has been deliberately avoiding any sort of meeting with Coulson in favor of a military confrontation.
Looks like we'll be getting some serious Inhuman action next week. I'm sure they'll be saving the Royal Family for the movie, though.
There were three things I loved about this episode: Simmons taking down Bobbie, using brains over gymnastics; Hunter showing up and accepting Coulson's offer; and Mack saving Fitz from the explosion-- I really don't want Mack to be a bad guy.
The flashbacks to the HYDRA uprising were interesting. They made sure to emphasize the heroism of all the "real SHIELD" characters, and to make it clear that they also want a new kind of SHIELD. However, their commando tactics against their fellow agents were not very honorable, and we learned that Coulson has been trying to track down Gonzalez all these months; so Gonzalez has been deliberately avoiding any sort of meeting with Coulson in favor of a military confrontation.
Looks like we'll be getting some serious Inhuman action next week. I'm sure they'll be saving the Royal Family for the movie, though.
Is it dramatically different than our team going after Donny Gill in the beginning of the season to prevent him from falling into Hydra hands?
Did your DVD cut off the last 20 seconds?
I may be wrong, but I think Coulson and Hunter met up in Tahiti. It was some island paradise anyway that was supposed to fake us out, so that missassumed that Phil was back in T.A.H.I.T.I.
I think Greg should bring his wife to work for a week or two.
But Calderon was acting in defiance of Bobbi's clear orders to use ICERs only. So his actions do not represent the intentions of the whole group. We're not supposed to think of them as a monolithic unit. There's a range of attitudes within it, from the noble intentions of Bobbi and Mack and the benevolence of Weaver to the hard-nosed and intolerant attitudes of Calderon, with Gonzales occupying a gray area in the middle.
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