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12 Monkeys..tv show

For a while, this one wasn't impressing me as much, but the standout moments for me were Whitley's. When he was saying to Jones "What if I have to choose between the serum and Ramse," I assumed the subtext was that he wouldn't hesitate to kill Ramse for the serum. But he totally surprised me, abandoning the mission when his trigger-happy man killed Ramse's girlfriend and refusing to sanction further bloodshed. It was quite harsh to kill the one who'd done it, but it was an effective way for Whitley to defuse the situation before there was any more violence.

I was a little unclear on why Ramse was so interested in learning about the Army of the 12 Monkeys from Jennifer when the last thing he wanted was to prevent the plague. I guess he was learning what he could about it so that he'd know how to prevent Cole from undoing it, although that's a bit iffy, given that he believed taking the serum was enough to prevent that.

Anyway, I'd been wondering whether Ramse might end up traveling in time himself, but I'd expected that he'd be doing it as Cole's partner, or maybe his rescuer/backup when he got trapped in the past or something. I didn't expect it to happen like this. I'm also a little worried about Kirk Acevedo's long-term future on this show. If he'd gone back to 2015, he could've been a new recurring nemesis for Cole. But now he's apparently back in 1987 with no way to time-travel forward again (well, except the usual way, one second per second). Which suggests his arc might be nearing its conclusion. Which would be a shame, since he's the best actor on the show, not to mention the only nonwhite actor in the lead cast (since Whitley is recurring only).
 
When he had the serum and Cole appeared to be dying, I was starting to wonder if Ramse would end up taking over for Cole as the time traveler, but it doesn't look like that will be happening. I am curious to see how they are going to resolve the whole thing with the splintering killing Cole. I'm assuming if he's going to keep going back and forth for the rest of this season, and whole second season they're going to have to do something.

Does anybody know if Matals and Fickett were the showrunners for Nikita? I loved that show.
 
When he had the serum and Cole appeared to be dying, I was starting to wonder if Ramse would end up taking over for Cole as the time traveler, but it doesn't look like that will be happening.

Yeah, I've had that thought myself now and then. After all, Acevedo resembles Bruce Willis a lot more than Aaron Stanford does. I wondered if they were planning some sort of long-game fakeout where it would turn out that Ramse was the real star of the show.

And you know, I could still see that happening. Maybe Ramse alters history in such a way that neither Cole nor his son is ever born, and he has to take over Cole's mission in hopes of creating a future where his son exists. It's a long shot, though.


Does anybody know if Matals and Fickett were the showrunners for Nikita? I loved that show.

That was Craig Silverstein. Matalas and Fickett were just the story editors on that show.
 
I have learned to stop predicting things in this show, anything can happen. I like shows that I don't know what will happen, TV has to many shows that are predictably forumatic. Ramse could still com back into the fold, I don't see Kirk necessarily leaving anytime soon, this show is to unpredictable, and that's a good thing.
 
When he had the serum and Cole appeared to be dying, I was starting to wonder if Ramse would end up taking over for Cole as the time traveler, but it doesn't look like that will be happening.

Yeah, I've had that thought myself now and then. After all, Acevedo resembles Bruce Willis a lot more than Aaron Stanford does. I wondered if they were planning some sort of long-game fakeout where it would turn out that Ramse was the real star of the show.

And you know, I could still see that happening. Maybe Ramse alters history in such a way that neither Cole nor his son is ever born, and he has to take over Cole's mission in hopes of creating a future where his son exists. It's a long shot, though.


Does anybody know if Matals and Fickett were the showrunners for Nikita? I loved that show.

That was Craig Silverstein. Matalas and Fickett were just the story editors on that show.

I'd love to see Ramse take over...i wonder if we'll find out that Cole really IS his dad???

Unless they're really groundbreaking, i unfortunately doubt they'll switch the lead. But i'm hoping...

What i would REALLY like to see is a younger version of Jones...anything Cole or Ramse can do to change her would be interetsing...
 
I think the last time there was an intentional fake out lead change was UC Undercover where Grant Show died in the second episode and Oded Fehr took over. Although showing Fehr as the star in the main credits from the beginning gave it away.
 
Hmmm.

IMDB tells me that UC Undercover ran for 12 episodes starting in 2001.

Young Norma (From Bates Motel) is close to the female lead in UC Undercover?

That might be interesting to look into, all though the Bates Motel character is gorgeous because she is insane and twitchy, not because she is tied to a beautiful actress.

Earth Final Conflict changed the lead twice in only 5 years.

It's come to light that Doctor Who was always going to regenerate at the end of Season one even if they hadn't actually bothered to tell the actor that his contract was never ever ever going to be renewed.

Robin of Sherwood changed leads in the 80s.

Primeval (UK) changed leads at least 3 times.

CSI/Law and Order don't seem too attached to their leads.

Criminal Minds lost/got rid of Inego Montoya, but then he couldn't last the distance on Chicago Hope either.

Death in Paradise changed leads a year ago. That was weird, the detective who usually solve the murders in paradise was murdered in the first episode of season four. Seriously fucked up. "What do we do now? He can't solve his own murder?!"

Might be a spoiler, but arguably the male lead of Z-Nation was killed near the end of seaosn one.

Bringing in the Farscape kids to head up the final two seasons of Stargate.

OH! Northern Exposure!

It was brave of them to continue 8 simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter after John Ritter died. Not because John died, but becuase of the shitty unfunny scripts. So brave.

Seaquest DSV got a new Captain after you said season 2.

Yes, you said "intentional fakeout" but I got on a roll, sorry.
 
Okay, does anybody recognize the song that was playing in the Tokyo bar in the 1987 scenes in the first act? I could swear I've heard it before, most likely in some anime show or something.
 
Why doesn't Ramse look like he's aged at all? I mean...OK after 8 years...but being 25_ years later...not even a grey beard? definitely interesting twist...can't wait till next week!
 
Time travel slows down the aging process probably. So Ramse is why Cole never got anywhere. But I think he and Cole have now synched up so Ramse has no more future knowledge so it evens the playing field.
 
I think the Striking Woman (that's actually what Alisen Down's character is called) had a throwaway line about how Ramse seemed untouched by the passage of time, but they didn't explain why that was. Nor did it explain why the Striking Woman looked the same in 1995 and 2015.
 
Olivia ^ Yeah I wonder who her father is that seemed to know about Ramse, I guess another thread of the plot yet to play out. I found this episode very compelling and Guy was right, Ramse is the witness. So I guess Kirk will be sticking around after all. I wonder if Cole is truly stuck in 2015 now, im sure they will find a way to re-tether him.

It looks like they said fuck it with the old age make up LOL
 
Nice twists....

I also.wonder about the lack of aging of Ramses but maybe they will explain

Olivia's father is a mystery as well.....tossing out a hunch....could be Ramses again sent back in time?
 
The red foliage is the key ingredient to immortality.

How are you?

Time isn't perfect.

Yet I'm envious how most of you seem to defy it.

Have your memory sessions garnered anything new?
Look at the red veins in his hands, just before she says that he defies time.

Although..

Everything's changing Green to red, everything's changing green to red.
Jennifer seemed to be aware of this alteration, without knowing anything about time travel.

Olivia revealed herself to the board of Markridge in 2011, otherwise after that creepy bit where she was combing Jennifer's hair, I would have thought that Olivia was Jennifer's mother back from a faked death 20 years earlier.
 
Olivia revealed herself to the board of Markridge in 2011, otherwise after that creepy bit where she was combing Jennifer's hair, I would have thought that Olivia was Jennifer's mother back from a faked death 20 years earlier.

From what Olivia said, it sounded like Jennifer's mother died while in the insane asylum. But since we didn't see it she could still be alive. Or at the very least Cole could visit her.
 
Good thinking.

Everything's changing Green to red, everything's changing green to red.
What if this was part of a "nursery rhyme" Jennifer's mother used to sing to her as a child?
 
Olivia does look a lot like Jennifer. But I guess she isn't future Jennifer, since we've seen her in 2043 played by Emily Hampshire in age makeup. And I guess she's not Jennifer's future daughter, given what she said about her own mother.

Anyway, I hadn't realized her name was Olivia. That makes two shows where Kirk Acevedo's character has been partnered with a woman of that name (Fringe being the other).
 
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