Grimm - Season 4

[DWF]

Juliette trying to force Nick to kiss her new monstrous face was all kinds of wrong.

From her perspective, it really wasn't. This is who she is now. It's a part of her that he has to accept if they're to have a future. Personally, I hate it that the show's designers made Hexenbeists and Zauberbiests so hideous, but as a matter of characters' feelings and basic rights, it's no different from a story about accepting someone with a physical disability or even someone of a different ethnicity. What's on the surface shouldn't matter to how you feel about someone.

What would've been more wrong was to try to hide from the issue, to keep her Woge hidden and let Nick try to pretend things were still the same. She wasn't "trying to force Nick to kiss her," she was forcing him to confront the issue that they have to face as a couple, bringing it all out into the open. And that's better than avoiding it.

Perhaps, but it still felt wrong for Juliette to be so ''in his face'' with their new reality.

Hexenbeists have been nothing but trouble for them both, and to take someone still in shock over finding out she's become one, and goad them into 'kissing' her, knowing how difficult seeing her this way would be, was just as cruel to him, as Nick's earlier behavior-leaving the house, not letting her come with him to see Henrietta, was to her. He knew there was a way to transform a Hexenbeist to human, and he didn't bother telling her to allay her fears, but instead, leaves her alone to stew. What a guy.

But then Nick is told that his blood won't work to transform her back. Still Nenrietta's warning was for Nick alone.

 

[JD]

I do agree Nick was kind of a jerk here, but after everything they've been through with Adalind, I can't blame him for being freaked out. I would have rather seen him accept her and try to help her the change, but this attitude does make sense. I'm glad they addressed the blood issue right off the bat, instead of ignoring until the end. I can understand what Juliette was doing by trying
The stuff with the Rabbit Wesen the guy hunting them was kind of meh. I was glad that they did at least address the fact that the Rabbit guy was named Peter. I did get a kick out of Rosalee punching out the nurse though.
Not a fan of Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby. Now that I know the actress is pregnant, I can understand why they did it, but I would think they could have found a better way to work it in.
EDIT: David Giuntoli did an interview about the rest of the season with CBR's Spinoff Online.
I'm not very happy to hear that this transformation is apparently going to make Juliette hostile towards Nick. It just seems like unnecessary conflict. We already got a lot of relationship drama from Nick & Juliette when she had amnesia, and at this point I think I'd rather them bring in some kind of conflict they have to be closer to deal with, not something that is going to drive them apart again.

 

[Christopher]

Not a fan of Adalind being pregnant with Nick's baby. Now that I know the actress is pregnant, I can understand why they did it, but I would think they could have found a better way to work it in.
EDIT: David Giuntoli did an interview about the rest of the season with CBR's Spinoff Online.
I'm not very happy to hear that this transformation is apparently going to make Juliette hostile towards Nick. It just seems like unnecessary conflict. We already got a lot of relationship drama from Nick & Juliette when she had amnesia, and at this point I think I'd rather them bring in some kind of conflict they have to be closer to deal with, not something that is going to drive them apart again.

Oh, that doesn't sound encouraging. I keep wondering why I'm still watching this show. Mainly it's for Monroe, Rosalee, and the awesomeness of Sgt. Wu, who is still a better detective than Nick and Hank put together. But I am so sick of Nick, and I never liked Adalind, and it sounds like they're ruining Juliette, who used to be one of my favorites. Depending on how things go for the rest of this season, I might not come back for the next.

 

[Vendikarr]

I wish there was a way to transfer the Grimm-ness to someone else, because I could really get behind a Sgt. Wu - Grimm storyline. He is so into thei Grimm world, much more than Nick ever was.

 

[DWF]

I don't get the hatred for Nick, when the series started Juilette, Hank and Wu were pretty much stereotypes and the shw revolved around Nick and Monroe. But now the other characters have been developed beyond stereotypes and Nick seems like a very small player in the overall storyline. The whole rebel storyline and Renard's famly has very little to do with events in Portland. Nick's quest for the keys have gotten lost and really it's become show about latest Wesen criminal attack.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He's too pretty.

 

[Christopher]

I wish there was a way to transfer the Grimm-ness to someone else, because I could really get behind a Sgt. Wu - Grimm storyline. He is so into thei Grimm world, much more than Nick ever was.

Well, we've seen Nick lose and regain his Grimm powers, Adalind lose and regain her Hexenbiest powers, and Juliette gain Hexenbiest powers. It stands to reason that there could be a spell to Grimmify a regular person.

Although I'd be fine with a show centered on Wu and Trubel as partners.

 

[DWF]

I wish there was a way to transfer the Grimm-ness to someone else, because I could really get behind a Sgt. Wu - Grimm storyline. He is so into thei Grimm world, much more than Nick ever was.

Well, we've seen Nick lose and regain his Grimm powers, Adalind lose and regain her Hexenbiest powers, and Juliette gain Hexenbiest powers. It stands to reason that there could be a spell to Grimmify a regular person.

Although I'd be fine with a show centered on Wu and Trubel as partners.

Niether Wu nor Trubel have the charimsa to be leads on their own and without Nick's trailer they'd have no real knowledge of how to handle Wesens. Other just hunting them down and killing them without mercy, which seems to be how Trubel operates.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wesen have Wesen culture? Surely they have their own secret libraries and maybe their own internet?

Although I am really beginning to wonder what the ratio of wesen to human is? It seems like 7:1 in their favour at the moment.

 

[cylkoth]

At least 9 to 1 in Portland.

 

[Taylirious]

I thought there was extra hate between a Grimm & Hexenbiest?

 

[Christopher]

I thought there was extra hate between a Grimm & Hexenbiest?

That's what the current storyline seems to be building on, yes -- the idea that they're "natural enemies." Although Renard is half-Zauberbiest (the male equivalent) and he and Nick seem to get along okay. And really, I don't see why that particular species of Wesen would have any more reason to hate/be hated by Grimms than any other. It just seems to be something the show has decided because Adalind happened to be Nick's first foe.

 

[DWF]

Henrietta seemed to have soem kind sexual power over Nick and it looked like Adalind tried to use it on Renard later on. And Adalind seems to be some of slut, it wasn't gernally known that Renard is the father of her daughter. So they might have some control over human males.

 

[propita]

Adalind slept with Hank, Sean, AND Nick. Wu only got to eat carpet.

Did she and Sean ever sleep together again after Diana was born and taken, when Adalind was in Portland before?

Adalind is the show slut and I’m pretty tired of her character. They’d’ve been better looking at the Royals v. Damn! Can’t remember the name--Nick’s mom and Diana getting her powers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Just think about the phrase "eating carpet".

 

[cylkoth]

Adalind slept with Hank, Sean, AND Nick. Wu only got to eat carpet.

Add Sean' s royal brother played by James Fran, before he was killed off and replaced by Westly.

Did she and Sean ever sleep together again after Diana was born and taken, when Adalind was in Portland before?
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I can't recall if they ever did...she came to him with Diana, but things were pretty chaotic after that.

 

[DWF]

Kind of funny how Adalind was goingto try and pass off Nick's baby as Simon's. And really it's tiring hearing how Nick is jerk when Juliette lied about not telling Nick about what happened to her. And in a way I can agree with Monroe about the whole man/woman con artist, but then but allowing only the guy to have record was a way of skirting the law.

 

[Christopher]

The twist this week was totally obvious, particularly since the opening quote (about something with the attributes of both woman and boy) was kind of a giveaway. Trying to fake us out for so long felt a bit insulting to the viewers' intelligence.

Also, I felt some lines and reactions to the sex-changing creature bordered on the transphobic, with everyone treating it as some bizarre anomaly. Although Monroe's disturbed line about the ethics of forcing the Wesen into one sex helped ameliorate that. And they did try to make Linus sympathetic at the end, although all the preceding bickering made it unconvincing.

And how can Rosalee just whip up sex hormones on demand in her spice shop? Where does she get a supply of those? And what does it say about her clientele that she has them readily on hand?

A general question occurred to me: Why does Renard know so little about Wesen? You'd think that, much of the time, when Nick and Hank came to Renard with a report on the latest weird cause of death, Renard would go, "Ah, yes, I recognize that as the method of the such-and-so," and there'd be no need to go to the trailer for research. But he rarely seems to have any more of a clue than Nick and Hank do.

I still couldn't care less about Adalind, and the implication that she's going to seduce the King so she can fake another royal baby is kind of icky. Plus I don't like how ill-tempered Juliette is becoming. I hope that's not supposed to be a permanent character change resulting from her transformation.

 

[cylkoth]

And how can Rosalee just whip up sex hormones on demand in her spice shop? Where does she get a supply of those? And what does it say about her clientele that she has them readily on hand?

I love Rosalee, I really do. But I'm tired of how they've turned her into Little Miss Mary Sue Cure All. Obviously, her Spice Shop must be a Tardis in order to hold all the ingredients to whip up every single cure for the Wesen problem of the week. I was half hoping that this latest concoction would mutant Linus into some giant worm that then goes on a rampage through the city and has to be taken out by bombers or tanks-or a giant mecha. Woulda served them right for so callously deciding to alter his nature. Yes, he did murder a guy-and please writers, must we have every Wesen perp inflict the most extreme act on their victims each and every week? So of course he excretes acid on his mark, and we learn too late, it was accidental, but whoops! He's been altered, for who knows how long...what if while imprisoned, he gets his other half back? How can that be explained away?

As for Renard not knowing everything Wesen related, I suppose we have to accept that all Wesen aren't familiar with every single member of the species. Perhaps because he wasn't reared by the Royals, he didn't receive the education regarding the various members of the culture he might have gotten, if the family hadn't tried to kill him and his mother. Who knows?

And I may have blinked or was distracted, but did Alexis Denisoff actually appear in this episode? We heard his voice, but I at least, never saw him. Amusing, since that's exactly how James Fran was written off the show and replaced with Westly. Karma.

 

[DWF]

I don't think it's unusual for Renard to be in the dark so to speak about the various Wesen, it seems like it's only Nick's family who collected histories and weapons to fight Wesen. It is rather convenient that Nick has a trailer full of just about eveerything he needs to fight the Wesen.

I can understand Juliette's anger though, she's been changed against her will into something supernatural and terrifing and seemingly has no place to go. Only Nick and Rerand knows what's happened to her and really it's not good keeping it all bottled up inside her.