Grimm - Season 4

[Dream]

Not from Renard or from the expert he sent Juliette to see. The latter should most likely have known about the possibility, yet she unambiguously said that it was impossible for Juliette to ever change back.

Maybe Henrietta isn't as smart as she says? I feel like the writers should have at least had her mention the Grimm blood thing. I've seen the blood thing being brought up by countless fans on other forums, so I certainly hope the writers haven't forgotten that.

I have no faith in these writers' advance planning abilities. This show has been meandering with little direction or focus for the past two seasons.

I think I still like the first season's arc the best. Nick slowly discovering the Wesen world, the Wesen community reacting to the new Grimm, and Renard still being written as a potential bad guy. This was when Adalind still hadn't taken over the show, and there was just one episode about the Royals. It is very different from the following seasons.

Season 2 was all about the Juliette amnesia arc that went on too long. I STILL can't believe it took 20 episodes for Juliette to regain her memories, it had become a soap opera halfway thorough the season. Season 3 was all about Adalind's adventures in Europe and her magic baby which was just as dragged out, though I did enjoy Monroe and Rosalee's romantic development and Trubel's introduction during the final four episodes.

This season's structure feels much more scattered, 6 episodes of powerless Nick which should have focused way more on him trying to live a normal life, the Wesenrein arc that had a nice conclusion, and what looks like a big arc focusing on Juliette which I'm fearing they are starting to drag out with Nick knowing nothing.

 

[Thestral]

I'm so ready for this stupid "don't tell Nick" plotline to end already. I was sure when Nick got home and found the dead manticore she'd admit what's going on. Hell, keep her as a hexenbiest! That's, what... the second extremely dangerous situation she's gotten out of because of her powers? I'm sure Nick would need some adjustment but he'd be down. It's not like Buffy couldn't handle Angel's game face (granted it wasn't quite nearly so alarming...)

I see the Council on this show is as ineffective as the Council from Buffy.

The Wesen Council is perfectly effective. They're just not nice.

Since when was there some kind of Grimm instinct that made them any more hostile toward Hexenbiests than any other Wesen?

Not to mention that Bitsie Tulloch is rather beautiful and Hexenbiests are really disgustingly hideous. I don't like seeing that done to her face. Why couldn't she have turned into a cute Wesen like Rosalee does?

I don't know about an instinct but there's an allusion there to waaay back at the start of season 1 when hexenbiests are speficially identified as one of the Grimms greatest enemies. Certainly Nick's never shown anything instinctual, his animosity towards Adalind has been pretty understandable.

Considering the hexenbiests (and one zauberbiest) we've seen on this show, maybe you have to be beautiful?

Not from Renard or from the expert he sent Juliette to see. The latter should most likely have known about the possibility, yet she unambiguously said that it was impossible for Juliette to ever change back.

Renard definitely should have. Henrietta... could have been lying? She did seem to be pretty interested in Juliette accepting her role as a hexenbiest even before finding out she's a super-biest.

 

[Vendikarr]

No one is talking about the obvious solution since Juliette is stupidly keeping what happened to her a secret.

Not from Renard or from the expert he sent Juliette to see. The latter should most likely have known about the possibility, yet she unambiguously said that it was impossible for Juliette to ever change back.

Well, this is the first time we learning things about a human turned into a Wesen. We don't know all the rules yet. Let's hope the writers have figured that part out already!

I have no faith in these writers' advance planning abilities. This show has been meandering with little direction or focus for the past two seasons.

I am guessing they will go for something simple like explaining away Nick's blood taking away Adelaine's powers as only working on natural born Hexenbiest, not ones granted their ability in some way.

I would like to see them try the blood thing and have it not work.

 

[Christopher]

I'd just like them to acknowledge that the writers haven't completely forgotten about/ignored the blood thing. It's always frustrating when characters are blind to a possibility that's obvious to me as a viewer.

 

[JD]

Yeah, the blood thing really should be mentioned in some manner. It is kind of annoying that Juliette is now some kind of super Hexenbiest, that is really just a another eye role worthy element of this story. I thought the scene with her and the hit man was pretty cool, and makes me wish she would stay a Hexenbiest.
It's annoying that a show that is this good overall, can still manage to do such stupid stories.
At least we finally did get some real development in the Adalind and the Royals storyline.
I enjoyed the storyline with the assassin. I really wish they would spend more time dealing with the Wesen Council. It will be interesting to see what happens with them now that they've put a hit out on Nick. I'm assuming this one hit man's death won't be the end of it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Thinking about how the twelfth century worked.

If Sean located the council, as a Royal, even not such an important Royal, wouldn't they have to bow, scape and offer him a seat on the council for the afternoon while he is in the area?

Unless there's also another low ranking royal, a Count or some shit, sitting at the head of the Portland Council... Is it the Portland Council or the American Council or the Global Council?

 

[Christopher]

It's annoying that a show that is this good overall, can still manage to do such stupid stories.

I don't think it is good overall, not since the start of season 3. I think the writing has been pretty much a mess since then. Honestly, I sometimes wonder why I'm still watching. Mainly it's for Rosalee, Monroe, Juliette, and Wu, although I'd like Juliette better if she weren't a Hexenbiest.

 

[Dream]

I enjoyed the episode. I was expecting the Wesen of the Week to get away at the end by transforming into a fire bird and flying off, but I guess blowing up works too. It was interesting to see Orson back, since he has been gone for so long. We got the weird flashback to S1 Nick with the longer hair, and I greatly prefer the current short hair Nick.

The Juliette and Adalind fight was fun if predicable. Now I'm just waiting for HexenJuliette to lose her first fight. I get the feeling Adalind will be wearing black for the rest of the season. So glad Nick finally knows about his girlfriend being a Hexenbiest. I don't think it was possible for the writers to drag that out for much longer, and I was terrified of it becoming as long as the amnesia arc from S2.

 

[Guy Gardener]

George Lucas can suck it.

That 15 seconds near the end was better than the 19 hours of light Sabre duelling from Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Captain Shaw]

I wonder what the neighbours think of all the redecorating they have to do.
Do you think they use the same builder for every time the house gets smashed up?

 

[Christopher]

Well, Bud is their regular plumber, I assume; maybe he's friends with some Wesen carpenters who come in to help with repairs.

 

[Thestral]

You know it's funny, they showed almost every bit of the (non-action) confrontation between Adalind and Juliette in the preview. And you have to wonder if Juliette might be ready to say "You know what? I think it's better this way." So glad she finally showed Nick the truth, I was really hoping she wasn't going to try and pull some ridiculous story (that Nick being Nick would believe).

The bulk of the episode meanwhile was good because of bringing Orson back. Rosalee rocks as always with what she said to Monroe and him coming around to her point of view. Nice to see the (small) progress between him and Orson. Agreed about the flashback-hair.

 

[JD]

I enjoyed this one. The main story with Orson and the arsonist was pretty good. We got some nice moments for both Rosealee and Monroe, and the arsonist was a cool Wesen.
I loved the big fight scene between Juliette and Adalind, and I'm really starting to hope Juliette stays a Hexenbiest.
I am thrilled they actually had Juliette tell Nick. I was honestly expecting that to be dragged out a lot longer.

 

[cylkoth]

Reminder--Grimm returns tonight. New Wessen-time 8pm EST/7 Central! same Wessen station NBC!

 

[DWF]

The kid who turns into a rabbit would be named Peter and he was chased by a wolf who takes his foot.

 

[Christopher]

Man, Nick Burkhart continues to be a reprehensible human being. Juliette finally confides in him about this painful, difficult change she's going through, and he makes the whole thing about him -- "Why didn't you tell me," "I did this" -- and then he walks out on her. What a self-absorbed jerk.

And they're getting lazy with their Wesen names. "Leporum Venator" is simply Latin for "Rabbit Hunter." Plus, isn't it weird that there's a whole species of Wesen specifically devoted to hunting wabbits and cutting off their feet? Shouldn't that be more a profession undertaken by various established predatory breeds? I mean, that's taking specialization to a pretty ridiculous degree.

And how come the feet stay in Woge? Dead Wesen de-Woge, so wouldn't a severed/dead body part do the same?

 

[DWF]

Man, Nick Burkhart continues to be a reprehensible human being. Juliette finally confides in him about this painful, difficult change she's going through, and he makes the whole thing about him -- "Why didn't you tell me," "I did this" -- and then he walks out on her. What a self-absorbed jerk.

It is his fault and he was tryinig to help. They also addressed the blood issue. This ep. though was filled with plenty of old horror cliches.

 

[Dream]

DAMMIT!

I can't believe they actually wrote Claire Coffee's real life pregnancy into the series, that was so lazy of them. Nothing good will come from this I tell ya, worst we will get even more episodes focusing on new baby drama. I'm so annoyed right now.

Also that ridiculous last scene at the end with Adalind screaming NOOOOO was straight out of a soap opera! I laughed so hard, I don't think they were going for that.

Juliette trying to force Nick to kiss her new monstrous face was all kinds of wrong.

 

[Christopher]

DAMMIT!

I can't believe they actually wrote Claire Coffee's real life pregnancy into the series, that was so lazy of them. Nothing good will come from this I tell ya, worst we will get even more episodes focusing on new baby drama. I'm so annoyed right now.

Oh, that explains it. It is a pretty lame and creepy plot twist.

Juliette trying to force Nick to kiss her new monstrous face was all kinds of wrong.

From her perspective, it really wasn't. This is who she is now. It's a part of her that he has to accept if they're to have a future. Personally, I hate it that the show's designers made Hexenbeists and Zauberbiests so hideous, but as a matter of characters' feelings and basic rights, it's no different from a story about accepting someone with a physical disability or even someone of a different ethnicity. What's on the surface shouldn't matter to how you feel about someone.

What would've been more wrong was to try to hide from the issue, to keep her Woge hidden and let Nick try to pretend things were still the same. She wasn't "trying to force Nick to kiss her," she was forcing him to confront the issue that they have to face as a couple, bringing it all out into the open. And that's better than avoiding it.

 

[cylkoth]

Juliette trying to force Nick to kiss her new monstrous face was all kinds of wrong.

From her perspective, it really wasn't. This is who she is now. It's a part of her that he has to accept if they're to have a future. Personally, I hate it that the show's designers made Hexenbeists and Zauberbiests so hideous, but as a matter of characters' feelings and basic rights, it's no different from a story about accepting someone with a physical disability or even someone of a different ethnicity. What's on the surface shouldn't matter to how you feel about someone.

What would've been more wrong was to try to hide from the issue, to keep her Woge hidden and let Nick try to pretend things were still the same. She wasn't "trying to force Nick to kiss her," she was forcing him to confront the issue that they have to face as a couple, bringing it all out into the open. And that's better than avoiding it.

Perhaps, but it still felt wrong for Juliette to be so ''in his face'' with their new reality.

Hexenbeists have been nothing but trouble for them both, and to take someone still in shock over finding out she's become one, and goad them into 'kissing' her, knowing how difficult seeing her this way would be, was just as cruel to him, as Nick's earlier behavior-leaving the house, not letting her come with him to see Henrietta, was to her. He knew there was a way to transform a Hexenbeist to human, and he didn't bother telling her to allay her fears, but instead, leaves her alone to stew. What a guy.