Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[bbjeg]

... it could just be EJO's team but with Spiderman appearing in CA:CW, what's the chances of EJO being Norman Osborn? He did run Shield for a bit.

H.A.M.M.E.R. was the name I couldn't remember. Longshot, I know, but a possibility. S.T.R.I.K.E. is more of a possibility and even though it was used in CA:TWS, it could have been restructured as much as S.H.I.E.L.D. S.W.O.R.D. is the most unlikely possibility with it revolving around Fox's X-Men but it's also probable. Fox probably wouldn't use them in fear of looking like they're copying off of the MCU anyway.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Maybe he's going to at least try to kill Skye

Now...it's cruel to get my hopes up like that.

 

[kirk55555]

Maybe he's going to at least try to kill Skye

Now...it's cruel to get my hopes up like that.

I want to be clear that I don't want him to kill Skye, but I can see him trying because he's about as crazy as Simmons when it comes to people with powers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If the bones in her face are turned into powder before she gets a hang of her powers... Either those bones will have to be recast by surgeons and she will look completely different, or it's a secondary "mutation" where she cannot just change the shape of her face like mystique, but what if she loses control while sleeping and can't quite put her face back together right every morning when she wakes up.


Every episode Skye is played by a different actress, or sometimes a few different actresses.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

kirk55555, where are you getting the idea that Gonzales wants to destroy Coulson, or that Mac and Bobbi want to take him down "with extreme prejudice"? Putting someone other than Coulson in charge of SHIELD doesn't mean putting two bullets in the back of his head.

Because Mac and Mockingbird keep talking about how they're going to take SHIELD down? The only way to stop Coulson/May/etc from staying in business is to permanently take them down. If Gonzales's group was willing to do something less extreme, they'd actually talk to Coulson, not infiltrate SHIELD for the stated purpose of taking it down.

I'm pretty sure Mac has been wanting to do that for awhile. Maybe he's going to at least try to kill Skye (probably with Simmons help, since Simmons is about ready to become the MCU's equivalent Bolivar Trask anyway, except she probably hates inhumans more than Trask hated mutants) and that might be when Skye starts getting control of her powers, leading to a victory for Coulson and his team and Gonzales and his friends getting locked in a deep, dark hole. I don't know, it could go several irritating ways.

Personally, I'm hoping for Mockingbird, Mac, Gonzales and Simmons dead, Skye in control of her powers and Coulson's SHIELD coming out on top. I doubt it will happen though, and I think that the most likely scenario is the season ending with Coulson's SHIELD destroyed, Skye a prisoner of Gonzales or reluctantly teaming up with her Dad to escape him, all leading to Coulson's team reforming (again) and taking down Gonzales's team next season.

Regardless, while I really enjoy AoS I think this idiotic SHIELD vs Fake SHIELD story is the worst thing since the first part of Season 1, and I don't think the show will ever be able to work with Mac and Mockingbird after the story arc (assuming that they, unfortunately, survive the storyline).

I think you're reading way too much into their rivalry and being ridiculously premature on declaring it "idiotic" based on nothing. No one's talking about killing or imprisoning anyone on Coulson's team (with the exception of possibly quarantining Skye) unless they refuse to accept their authority as the legitimate government approved reformed version of SHIELD. Mac and Mockingbird clearly respect and feel loyalty and friendship toward the member's of Coulson's team, they just disagree with some of their methods.

No one's going to be fighting to the death over this. They'll probably have some tension, maybe Coulson's team will go on the run to protect Skye for a while, but then they'll eventually come to an understanding and Coulson's team will be folded into the new SHIELD, with Olmos probably taking on either Fury's/Coulson's director role or becoming the replacement as Secretary to the new World Security Council like Alexander Pierce was (see my earlier speculation).

 

[Guy Gardener]

So J Edgar Hoover, in full drag, sensing early retirement, starts drafting a manifesto for FBI II, which will run in secret drawing up a (stolen unapproved) black budget and keep America safe form Communists and Sissyboy's named Kennedy.

In the comics Nick Fury has been kicking ass since WWII, even if you discount thisman ont he wall bullshit. He is the greatest thing ever!

In the movies... Um? How do we know that he is larger than life? What are his credentials? Surely ninty percent of his career after he turned 30 was diplomacy and telling other poeple where today that they were goingto die. To get were he is... I was going to say by his age, but really, every one forgets that Sammuel L Jackson is in his early 70s (kidding. Oh? He's 66? Fuck me.)

What are his credentials other than inadvertantly being a loyal Hydra Agent?

 

[kirk55555]

I think you're reading way too much into their rivalry and being ridiculously premature on declaring it "idiotic" based on nothing. No one's talking about killing or imprisoning anyone on Coulson's team (with the exception of possibly quarantining Skye) unless they refuse to accept their authority as the legitimate government approved reformed version of SHIELD. Mac and Mockingbird clearly respect and feel loyalty and friendship toward the member's of Coulson's team, they just disagree with some of their methods.

No one's going to be fighting to the death over this. They'll probably have some tension, maybe Coulson's team will go on the run to protect Skye for a while, but then they'll eventually come to an understanding and Coulson's team will be folded into the new SHIELD, with Olmos probably taking on either Fury's/Coulson's director role or becoming the replacement as Secretary to the new World Security Council like Alexander Pierce was (see my earlier speculation).

Well, I really, really hope you're wrong. That said, Mockingbird and Mac definitely said they were taking Coulson's unit down, they were pretty explicit. They're not going to just take away his info box and let him walk away. Besides, Coulson is the legitimate SHIELD. He's the director, not some random idiot. I've already written off Mac and Mockingbird. They're traitors, and unless they get what they deserve I don't want to see them on TV anymore. They definitely won't be with the team after they reveal themselves, though. After the HYDRA stuff, Coulson isn't going to give a second chance to a couple of idiots when betrayed his trust so that they could take down the real SHIELD from within.

Honestly, though, I'll take just Gonzales dead. The fake SHIELD really needs to go away by the end of the season. If that means that Wonder Woman and her bigot friend have to live, so be it. I'd prefer to see May snap Mockingbird like a twig while Mac (and Simmons, because if I'm dreaming I might as well get rid of all the now awful characters) get caught in an explosion that kills all the nameless fake SHIELD agents. But, I'll settle for Coulson shooting Gonzales with that laser gun he had that disintegrated Bill Paxton, or something like that. I don't think it would happen, but a guy can dream.

Agents of SHIELD came back from horrible writing in the beginning, so hopefully this stupid fake SHIELD arc is just a temporary dip, and Olmos & friends are gone quickly so the show can get back on track. It sucks that they wasted Mockingbird (and her actress) on this, they should have used some D-List SHIELD agent from the comics like Countess Fontaine or, if they really had to, Sharon Carter. But, that's just the way it goes. I'll remain hopeful that AoS won't crash and burn with one bad storyarc at this point in its run.

 

[RJDiogenes]

The "SHIELD vs. SHIELD" story will only be interesting if the other group has some kind of legitimacy. Coulson has legitimacy because he is Fury's hand-picked, raised-from-the-dead successor.

Would that be the Fury who is officially dead? Keeping in mind that only a handful of people know he's still kicking, it's easy to see why this other SHIELD faction don't exactly trust Coulson. Indeed, from the outside it could easily look like he swiped the toolbox and began building his own personal power base.

Well, there you go. That's their claim to legitimacy. Maybe we're coming up to another Fury intervention. Now I'm trying to remember if Bobbie and Mack have any knowledge that Fury is alive....

with Olmos probably taking on either Fury's/Coulson's director role or becoming the replacement as Secretary to the new World Security Council

I hope not. Putting Coulson back in a subordinate position would be a step backward-- kind of like Sheridan declaring independence and then letting Captain McDougan take over.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I don't think they've yet said they were taking Coulson's team down, but there's something in the trailer for next week (we don't know the context of) that might indicate it. I'm willing to let things play out rather than pre-judge because that would be stupid. We don't know enough about this other SHIELD yet.

 

[Christopher]

Comics are full of stories where heroes or teams initially see each other as enemies due to misunderstandings, fight each other, and then eventually realize they're on the same side and team up. So anyone who thinks that Bobbi and Mack's hidden agenda makes them (and Gonzales) irredeemable enemies to Coulson's team doesn't understand how comic-book universes work. Heck, wasn't it just a few weeks ago that we were watching Peggy Carter's colleagues arrest her for treason, and then end up working alongside her an episode later?

 

[Corran Horn]

What I would like to see is that curly hair guy Shield tech that Rumlow ordered to launch the helicarriers immediately that refused even though he was very scared for his life. I can't even find his name but it was one of the best scenes in the movie. If he's with this "real" Shield, that would really be cool.

It's not clear if that guy lives or dies as I recall. There's a shootout after that scene and he's never seen again.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Heck, wasn't it just a few weeks ago that we were watching Peggy Carter's colleagues arrest her for treason, and then end up working alongside her an episode later?

Was it? Seems like 70 years ago....

 

[Morpheus 02]

with Olmos probably taking on either Fury's/Coulson's director role or becoming the replacement as Secretary to the new World Security Council

I hope not. Putting Coulson back in a subordinate position would be a step backward-- kind of like Sheridan declaring independence and then letting Captain McDougan take over.[/QUOTE]

No, more like Kirk stepping down from the Admirality to take his "proper" place. Or if RDA had decided to get back into the action, and let someone else be the general.

 

[Enterprise1701]

New clip up on Marvel's YouTube channel for the next episode, "Love in the Time of Hydra". Yay Fitz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4kreYvg6Ss

 

[The Old Mixer]

Anyone think they're setting up a romantic triangle with Skye, Fitz, and Simmons?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nooo?

Although Fitz has to put all that love he has to give somewhere now that he knows that Gemma doesn't want it.

Fitz had some stammering moments over Skye in season one, but then Gemma spent a very long time taping some device to... was it Trip? Trips huge chest, and then she purred while patting it down making sure that a adhesive had adhered.

Here's what I don't get. They act like Revenge of the Nerds before the revenge, so we assume that's what school was like for the two of them, only they went to Science School where they were top of the food chain rock stars who were super popular and could have got all the sex and fun they wanted. Confidence to do what they want and take what they want (in a polite and charming way) should not be an issue.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Jemma was purring over Mike Peterson.

 

[Mr Light]

What the hell happened to Deathlok anyway?! He played such a big role in S1 I thought they were setting him up to be a regular in S2. He hasn't appeared once.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jemma was purring over Mike Peterson.

You're right! They have completely different nipples!

My bad.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

What the hell happened to Deathlok anyway?! He played such a big role in S1 I thought they were setting him up to be a regular in S2. He hasn't appeared once.

He said he had to take care of things on his own. I thought it was clear from that that he wasn't going to be a regular, but might guest star on occasion.