‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[Servo]

I know the masses won't care

I've been reading comics for 30 years, and I don't care. So they gave him tatts and modified the colour of his hair. What's the big deal?

You have to keep in mind who you're talking to; Captain Craig said a few years ago that Laurence Fishburne being cast as Perry White was just stunt casting because he's black.

Haha, wow. I suppose Sammy L's Nick Fury was stunt casting too, huh?

 

[Thestral]

Yeah, the article says they're actual tattoos and implies a very strong connection to Polynesian culture.

I like that a lot, if there is one culture that has a really strong connection to the sea it's it.

Indeed.

 

[crookeddy]

I've been reading comics for 30 years, and I don't care. So they gave him tatts and modified the colour of his hair. What's the big deal?

You have to keep in mind who you're talking to; Captain Craig said a few years ago that Laurence Fishburne being cast as Perry White was just stunt casting because he's black.

Haha, wow. I suppose Sammy L's Nick Fury was stunt casting too, huh?

Stunt casting way back in the first Ultimates comic I guess.

 

[USS Firefly]

Laurence Fishburne is black

 

[Servo]

 

[Sindatur]

Laurence Fishburne is black

I understand Samuel L Jackson is too

 

[Gaith]

Wow, it's like Snyder is begging me to not even Redbox this thing.

Green lantern will probably wear a black suit

"Points!"


So, just to be clear, this Aquaman guy is the cousin of Channing Tatum in Jupiter Ascending, right?

 

[Captain Craig]

I know the masses won't care

I've been reading comics for 30 years, and I don't care. So they gave him tatts and modified the colour of his hair. What's the big deal?

You have to keep in mind who you're talking to; Captain Craig said a few years ago that Laurence Fishburne being cast as Perry White was just stunt casting because he's black.

And it was, all in the grand adherence to diversify for diversity sake. I love Fishburne, great actor but Perry White is a two note character and Fishburne's talent was wasted in that role.
I realize comments like that on this highly charged liberal board seem radical and they get their feathers ruffled.
Fishburne was too good for such a bland role and even a great actor can only do so much with "Lane stay away from this story".

Haha, wow. I suppose Sammy L's Nick Fury was stunt casting too, huh?

No, actually SLJ was asked about the permission for his likeness to be used from the start when Marvel created their alternate Ultimates Universe line. His casting was the honoring of a contract, verbal(?), in some form that he'd be asked to play the character if he ever came to film. I had/have zero problems with SLJ as Fury, hope you had a good chuckle though.

 

[JD]

I'm a huge fan of Momoa, so I was happy when they cast him, and I think he looks great here.
Honestly, while it is a very different look from the comics, if it's going to get us away from the white haired blonde dude, I'm all for it.
I haven't read the article in the link about the tattoos and stuff, but I think it's a great idea to connect Atlantis to Polynesian culture. Sure, it's different from the comics, but I think it'll bring a unique spin to this version. And I believe Polynesian cultures tend to deal a lot with the sea, so it's not a totally rediculous connection to make.
I can understand the frustration of some of the old school fans who want to see the exact character from the comics, but we've gotten plenty of versions of that in the past so I'm all for doing something different. And even with all of the changes that were made, there are still other aspects of the character that could easily be left intact.

 

[Christopher]

I can understand the frustration of some of the old school fans who want to see the exact character from the comics, but we've gotten plenty of versions of that in the past so I'm all for doing something different. And even with all of the changes that were made, there are still other aspects of the character that could easily be left intact.

Besides...

Character is not about hair color or skin color. It's not about costume. It's about how a person acts and thinks and feels and interacts with others. Anyone who says someone isn't the same character just because he has a darker complexion or a less colorful wardrobe is misusing the word "character."

Heck, Henry Cavill looks a lot like Superman -- but the character he was playing in Man of Steel didn't have a lot in common with Superman. Character isn't something you can see in a still photo.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'm not a big fan of the darkity-dark-grimdark tone of the stills they've been releasing, but in general I'm OK with what I'm seeing here. If there's one character who can benefit from some liberties taken with his screen adaptation, it's Aquaman.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

I've been reading comics for 30 years, and I don't care. So they gave him tatts and modified the colour of his hair. What's the big deal?

You have to keep in mind who you're talking to; Captain Craig said a few years ago that Laurence Fishburne being cast as Perry White was just stunt casting because he's black.

And it was, all in the grand adherence to diversify for diversity sake. I love Fishburne, great actor but Perry White is a two note character and Fishburne's talent was wasted in that role.
I realize comments like that on this highly charged liberal board seem radical and they get their feathers ruffled.
Fishburne was too good for such a bland role and even a great actor can only do so much with "Lane stay away from this story".

So if they cast a lame white actor or a lame black actor, it would have been okay for you. So if they cast Forest Whitaker it would been okay, since wouldn't be wasting Fishburne's talents. Or is Whitaker to high profile as well. Would Danny Glover or heck Bernie Mac or Charles S Dutton been a better level of actor for the part?

 

[DWF]

Had they gotten Bernie Mac to play Perry White it'd certainly blow my mind.

 

[the G-man]

First look at Jason Momoa...
http://www.nerdist.com/2015/02/get-your-first-look-at-jason-momoa-as-aquaman-in-batman-v-superman/

Cool. Rob Zombie joined the Justice League.

 

[the G-man]

Character is not about hair color or skin color. It's not about costume. It's about how a person acts and thinks and feels and interacts with others. Anyone who says someone isn't the same character just because he has a darker complexion or a less colorful wardrobe is misusing the word "character."

But these characters are based on comic books. Comic books are a visual medium. The visuals quite often define the characters as much as their personalities. The visuals are what make up much of how think of the characters we love.

For example, and putting aside a character's race, you can have slight deviations in the design, but people are going to expect Batman to have a scalloped cape and a cowl with pointy ears. Similarly (as another site noted recently), no matter who plays him (Romero, Nicholson, Ledger), the Joker is going to be a guy with a white face and green hair.

Some of the (typically the main) characters are so iconic we expect them to look a certain way and if you change the race it changes the visuals to the point where it seems like a different character.

Others, yeah, its silly to sweat it. Perry White, in my mind, is a good example.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is no hard and fast rule either way. And fans who take a position either way may just be more visually oriented than some other fans.

 

[Servo]

Haha, wow. I suppose Sammy L's Nick Fury was stunt casting too, huh?

No, actually SLJ was asked about the permission for his likeness to be used from the start when Marvel created their alternate Ultimates Universe line. His casting was the honoring of a contract, verbal(?), in some form that he'd be asked to play the character if he ever came to film. I had/have zero problems with SLJ as Fury, hope you had a good chuckle though.

Relax, cupcake, it was a joke.

I'm well aware that his likeness was use for the Ultimates version of Fury. Like I said; been reading comics for 30 years.

 

[theenglish]

Character is not about hair color or skin color. It's not about costume. It's about how a person acts and thinks and feels and interacts with others. Anyone who says someone isn't the same character just because he has a darker complexion or a less colorful wardrobe is misusing the word "character."

But these characters are based on comic books. Comic books are a visual medium. The visuals quite often define the characters as much as their personalities. The visuals are what make up much of how think of the characters we love.

For example, and putting aside a character's race, you can have slight deviations in the design, but people are going to expect Batman to have a scalloped cape and a cowl with pointy ears. Similarly (as another site noted recently), no matter who plays him (Romero, Nicholson, Ledger), the Joker is going to be a guy with a white face and green hair.

Some of the (typically the main) characters are so iconic we expect them to look a certain way and if you change the race it changes the visuals to the point where it seems like a different character.

Others, yeah, its silly to sweat it. Perry White, in my mind, is a good example.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is no hard and fast rule either way. And fans who take a position either way may just be more visually oriented than some other fans.

I think some people may have opinions prior to a movie being released but if the actor makes the part his or her own AND it is a good movie the issue is quickly forgotten about.

Hugh Jackman is a great example. He didn't seem right for Wolverine prior to the movie (too short, too handsome) but he made the part his own. Ryan Reynolds on the other hand who physically was a great pick for Hal Jordan turned out to be in a disaster of a film and nobody will hire him for Green Lantern again.

Whether or not people accept Momoa as Aquaman will largely depend on the movie and his performance.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I thought Jackman was thought to be too tall for Wolverine (who's 5' 3" in the comics).

 

[Christopher]

But these characters are based on comic books. Comic books are a visual medium. The visuals quite often define the characters as much as their personalities. The visuals are what make up much of how think of the characters we love.

And a fresh adaptation can redefine them. Creations of the imagination aren't meant to be carved in stone, forever unchanging. Living things, including living ideas, grow and evolve. An adaptation is not a slavish copy, not if it's any good. It's a response to the source material, part of a dialogue between past and present. Sometimes a response echoes the source, and sometimes it provides a counterpoint.

For example, and putting aside a character's race, you can have slight deviations in the design, but people are going to expect Batman to have a scalloped cape and a cowl with pointy ears.

And yet the screen Wolverine has never worn his character's trademark cowl. Change can be, and has been, accepted if the changed version is good enough.

Similarly (as another site noted recently), no matter who plays him (Romero, Nicholson, Ledger), the Joker is going to be a guy with a white face and green hair.

Except Ledger's version was just a guy wearing whiteface and hair dye, which is a huge departure.

Some of the (typically the main) characters are so iconic we expect them to look a certain way and if you change the race it changes the visuals to the point where it seems like a different character.

Well, I'll concede that I have a hard time seeing that crew-cut white guy in the old comics as Nick Fury. But of course he is the same character in every way that actually matters. Jackson's appearance is just one part of what he brought to the role.

Of course no character interpreted by an actor is going to be exactly the same as the character was on the page, or as interpreted by a different actor. But that's a feature, not a bug. Actors are supposed to bring something new and different to their interpretation of a role. That's why we cast actors to play roles in the first place: because we want to see how they can make those characters fresh and different by filtering them through their own personalities and performance styles. And an actor who does it well can totally redefine how we see a character, and that's a good thing.

In any case, it's a clear sign of bias to single out race as the deal-breaking difference while being fine with changes in height or hair color or nationality or whatever. It's an indefensible double standard to say that turning Jimmy Olsen from a redhead to a brunet is fine but changing him from white to black is a "change of character."

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well, I'll concede that I have a hard time seeing that crew-cut white guy in the old comics as Nick Fury. But of course he is the same character in every way that actually matters. Jackson's appearance is just one part of what he brought to the role.

I never thought of the character as having a crew cut. I think they are different types of characters myself, I wonder if anyone has ever put the Sam Jackson version in the old Steranko comics. I'm curious how well that would work.

In any case, it's a clear sign of bias to single out race as the deal-breaking difference while being fine with changes in height or hair color or nationality or whatever. It's an indefensible double standard to say that turning Jimmy Olsen from a redhead to a brunet is fine but changing him from white to black is a "change of character."

Everyone does this when there's a charge of whitewashing/racebending. Does that statement only work in one direction? Or when one likes the change?