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Star Trek's Troubling 50th Anniversary

How do you feel about the current state of Trek and its future?

  • Optimistic

    Votes: 50 38.8%
  • Worried

    Votes: 42 32.6%
  • Cautiously Optimistic

    Votes: 37 28.7%

  • Total voters
    129
I'm not a fan, personally, of prequels.

I find the idea flawed: "Here's the backstory of the universe you already know". :rolleyes:

Tthere's some mileage in that idea, of course. But by it's very nature, you're not going to get something dynamic out of exploring parts of the mythology that are already known, or if you *do* make something dynamic out of it then it'll just piss off the long term fans who hate how you're messing up all the continuity.
(See also Star Wars I, II and III).

The other problem with Enterprise, and this was at it's very original conception, was the hubris of the established creative team. They assumed that, being Star Trek, it would be a guaranteed seven year run with lots of opportunities to fix things up later (which they almost never get around to, as Voyager demonstrated).

This is what I mean when I say Berman and Braga were on auto-pilot. When they suddenly realised that they might not get seven years after all, that was the figurative kick up the ass they needed to get them out of their ennui and actually making something interesting again.

The third and fourth seasons were probably 60% of the way towards that change of thinking.

I'm not going to sit here and claim it was perfect by any means, but it was an indication that somebody behind the scenes was finally starting to shift gears in terms of their thinking. Whether that would have ultimately resulted in something better or something worse in a hypothetical fifth season is a matter of conjecture.

:)
 
...I do wonder if that's the sort of material they should have been hitting out of the park in the first season, instead of all that dull filler.

Why? Why would a single viewer who wasn't already sold on Star Trek be interested? The "Augments arc" was dull filler, for gods' sake. But hey, it explained those bumpy foreheads that trekkies had been arguing about for a decade or so, Appointment television.

You're probably right. Even if the show opened with something that rivaled the best of Trek, it might not have mattered.

The problem wasn't that the show was a prequel - that was promising, since it provided an entry point into Star Trek before any of the fanwank continuity stuff would happen. It's pretty much the approach that J.J. Abrams took to the first nuTrek movie, and it was tremendously successful.

The thing is, in retrospect it's obvious that the prequel premise for Enterprise should have been handed off to an entirely new creative team that had some demonstrated success at making adventure drama more oriented to a younger audience. Let them do with it whatever they would.
No argument from me on that. The creators of Enterprise expressed that they were worn out and wanted Trek to take a break. UPN would have likely looked for another creative team, but Berman had his "I want to mainatin Gene's vision" thing and always felt obligated to stay as Trek overseer to "protect" Trek. Unfortunately.
 
I'm not a fan, personally, of prequels.

I find the idea flawed: "Here's the backstory of the universe you already know".

You don't make prequels mainly to satisfy the people who "already know."
 
I'm not a fan, personally, of prequels.

I find the idea flawed: "Here's the backstory of the universe you already know".

You don't make prequels mainly to satisfy the people who "already know."

I don't see the point in making prequels at all, to be honest. It's a flawed philosophy IMO. The fans won't like it, and the general audience won't care, so why bother? :shrug:

One could almost say that Enterprise needed to suck, so that the Abrams movies had a road-map about what not to do in a Star Trek prequel. ;)

A pity they pissed that all away with the folly of bringing back KHAAAAAAANN!!!!1!!, but there you go, that's studio executive group-think for you.
 
There are significant points of similarity in the conception of Enterprise and of the Abrams movies. One is a case of creative and successful execution, the other was not.
 
HEY!!! TOMATOMETERS!!! NEAR HALF A BILLION DOLLAR BOX OFFICE!!! SHUSH YOU!!!

Guess which one the people financing the movies care about?

IOW, fuck the Tomato. It's a goddamn website, and it hasn't slowed the careers of people like Michael Bay a beat.
 
IOW, fuck the Tomato. It's a goddamn website.

True dat.

Lance said:
I'm not a fan, personally, of prequels.

I find the idea flawed: "Here's the backstory of the universe you already know".

There's potential in prequels provided they actually provide something new, put a new spin on what's already known. But it's not easy to carry off well. Best example I can think of is The Thing (21st century version), which managed to deliver an interesting new interpretation on Carpenter's movie that fit with what came before.
 
I'm sure that someone at Paramount is sweating bullets over the fact that Devin Faraci got a couple hundred trekkies at a convention to vote the new movies WORST EVAH! :lol:
 
Faraci's powers of mass hypnosis are well known. ;)

(Not that the event in question was all that significant.)
 
The whole series was like that. The fact that it was all prequel made this inevitable.

Yet they avoided most of that for a good majority of the show's run, instead focusing on things no one had heard about. Towards the end, though, they started hitting on things that Trek fans were interested in. It felt like they saw the end coming and said "fuck it, let's do everything from the Chronology."

Well, except for TATV, which was shit. :lol:

What sbout the retconning involving the Ferengi and Borg Not to mention all the VOY episodes reworked for Enterprise.
 
I haven't heard this firsthand, as I don't have the Enterprise blu-ray. I have read that individuals above Berman and Brage were meddling with the direction of Enterprise. If they had their wish, Enterprise might have been different. I don't know if it would have been good.

My point is that showrunners themselves have to obey those higher in the hierarchy, and there are times when those individuals make decisions that hurt the franchises.
 
I would say that neither of those examples supports the contention that "you already know what's going to happen," and were among the things fans complained about.

The studio higher-ups were definitely giving the producers a lot of, um, "creative guidance."
 
I haven't heard this firsthand, as I don't have the Enterprise blu-ray. I have read that individuals above Berman and Brage were meddling with the direction of Enterprise. If they had their wish, Enterprise might have been different. I don't know if it would have been good.

My point is that showrunners themselves have to obey those higher in the hierarchy, and there are times when those individuals make decisions that hurt the franchises.

Even if Berman and Braga had gotten their way, I'm still not sure it would have been any better. They were worn out and not suited to continue working on Trek. Its pretty telling when a lot of the writers of DS9 and VOY did not take the offer to continue with ENT. It needed new blood.
 
I would say that neither of those examples supports the contention that "you already know what's going to happen," and were among the things fans complained about.

The studio higher-ups were definitely giving the producers a lot of, um, "creative guidance."

Actually, fans were generally pissed about the retconning. The studio interfered a lot AND the series was growing stale.
 
Lance said:
I'm not a fan, personally, of prequels.

I find the idea flawed: "Here's the backstory of the universe you already know".

There's potential in prequels provided they actually provide something new, put a new spin on what's already known. But it's not easy to carry off well. Best example I can think of is The Thing (21st century version), which managed to deliver an interesting new interpretation on Carpenter's movie that fit with what came before.

I can see that, but it's still for me a narrative dead-end.

On the DVD commentary for Star Wars (bugger all that 'Episode IV: A New Hope' bollocks :p), George Lucas says how he liked the idea of writing this as a universe with a bit of unseen history, and how it enhances the storytelling, and enriches the overall mythology, by the very fact that all of the backstory is "told" rather than "shown". One wonders, then, what he honestly thought could be gained by actually going backwards and showing that backstory. I really think Star Wars suffers as a 'Saga' because of that kind of muddled thinking. The original trilogy still stands up well on it's own, and the prequel trilogy likewise stands up on it's own in a lot of ways, but couple them together and you only end up with headaches.

I honestly think there's more creativity in going forwards instead of going back. But that's just my tuppence worth. ;)
 
Hey Dennis, how would you make a Trek series?

You're knowledgeable in the workings of viewers and television creation.
 
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