DS9 on blu ray?

[benjaminh]

Looks like i was right about Disney releasing Star wars

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/1...naltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/

SO surely there is hope for DS9

Good news about Star Wars!+++ Thanks for posting that.

But Star Wars and DS9 are two very different products. One is perhaps the biggest smash trilogy in movie history. The other is a not-nearly-as-well-known TV show from the 1990s.

Disney will sell millions of copies of the original Star Wars. That makes pouring money into it profitable for them.

DS9 would sell small fraction of what Star Wars would sell. I still think they should do it, and in the long run probably it would pay for itself, but I don't really see a connection between these two bc they are so apples and oranges. But, as you say, maybe there is still a small sliver of hope....

 

[MacLeod]

My understanding is the DS9, VOY and ENT run in a very limited amount mostly small foreign markets. TOS and TNG are literally rerun all over the world at anytime of the day.

The sad truth is DS9 would cost more than TNG to remaster due to the CGI effects and has a far more limited market share in terms on syndication and blu-ray sales. I think for CBS the investment is seen as too much of a risk.

All the Trek shows are shown regularly in the UK, the only one that isn't currently airing I believe is DSN but that was on earlier in the year. And it's not uncommon for multiple channels to be showing ST in the UK at the moment they are: -

TOS - CBS Action,
TNG - CBS Action, Horror Channel, Syfy
VOY - Syfy
ENT - Sky Atlantic

There will be some DSN episodes aired over the Christmas season.

And for a case could be made that the UK is Trek's 2nd largest market after N. America hardly a small market. As for else where in Europe or other parts of the world I couldn't say but all those "small" markets do add up and could mak eup a potential market larger than the US.

 

[Harvey]

Looks like i was right about Disney releasing Star wars

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/1...naltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/

SO surely there is hope for DS9

(1) This report doesn't appear to be true, as far as I can tell (Fox's rights on Star Wars in perpetuity and The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi until 2020 are a problem not addressed).

(2) True or false, this has little to nothing to do with any hope for DS9 in HD.

 

[toughlittleship]

DS9 was/is pretty popular in the UK; it was voted the best Star Trek series in the UK ''Star Trek'' Magazine around 2005/2006.

 

[DS9forever]

There's a new DS9 novel, The Missing, out this month. Getting a DS9 novel onto the New York Times bestseller list would be a great way to show CBS DS9 is still supported by its fans.

 

[Mage]

There's a new DS9 novel, The Missing, out this month. Getting a DS9 novel onto the New York Times bestseller list would be a great way to show CBS DS9 is still supported by its fans.

In no way can that compare.

People really need to start realising this isn't about keeping fans happy or whatnot. It's all about the benjamins.

Remastering DS9 and VOY is expensive as f***. And the beancounters have already figured out that the amount of sales won't justify the costs in remastering those shows. No matter how happy fans will be.

End of discussion. There is no one at CBS/Paramount that feels they should do it to keep people happy, no matter the costs.

 

[MacLeod]

^As has been pointed out global Blu-ray sales are just one revenue stream there are others such as :-

1.>Domestic TV Sales
2.>International TV sales
3.>Domestic Streaming rights
4.>International Streaming rights

With more and more HD channels, stations will want content to air. Sure in the short term any remastering project might lose money, but long term it is probable to make a return on the investment. The only question is will the bean counters look at the long term picture. If there were sensible and did decide to go ahead with a remastering of DSN and VOY they should do it in 4K to protect it for the future even more so. But lets see what the bean counters decide. Who knows they might be looking at 2018 and DSN's 25th Anniversary for the first release.

 

[Rarewolf]

My understanding is the DS9, VOY and ENT run in a very limited amount mostly small foreign markets. TOS and TNG are literally rerun all over the world at anytime of the day.

All the Trek shows are shown regularly in the UK, the only one that isn't currently airing I believe is DSN but that was on earlier in the year. And it's not uncommon for multiple channels to be showing ST in the UK at the moment they are: -

TOS - CBS Action,
TNG - CBS Action, Horror Channel, Syfy
VOY - Syfy
ENT - Sky Atlantic

This happened on Wednesday 29th October

Trek convergence on Sky

7.00pm-9.00pm Sky Sci-fi movies showed Nemesis
6.20pm-7.20pm Horror Channel showed TNG season 1
7.20pm-8.20pm Horror plus 1 showed the same
8.00pm-9.00pm CBS action showed a later season of TNG
7.00pm-8.00pm Syfy had TNG season 2
7.00pm-8:00pm Syfy+1 had DS9 season 7
8.00pm-9.00pm Syfy+1 had TNG season 2

and to top it off
7.00-7.30pm Sky 1+1 had the Trek episode of Futurama!

So at 8pm for 20 minutes Picard and co were on four channels at once.

But part of all that TNG is purely down to the fact they've been able to sell it again in HD.

 

[Mage]

^As has been pointed out global Blu-ray sales are just one revenue stream there are others such as :-

1.>Domestic TV Sales
2.>International TV sales
3.>Domestic Streaming rights
4.>International Streaming rights

With more and more HD channels, stations will want content to air. Sure in the short term any remastering project might lose money, but long term it is probable to make a return on the investment. The only question is will the bean counters look at the long term picture. If there were sensible and did decide to go ahead with a remastering of DSN and VOY they should do it in 4K to protect it for the future even more so. But lets see what the bean counters decide. Who knows they might be looking at 2018 and DSN's 25th Anniversary for the first release.

I did take streaming services into account, but they also have to pay for streaming those shows. I doubt that they would get enough extra viewers for the HD versions of DS9 and VOY to justify the extra costs they would have for obtaining the rights.

 

[MacLeod]

My understanding is the DS9, VOY and ENT run in a very limited amount mostly small foreign markets. TOS and TNG are literally rerun all over the world at anytime of the day.

All the Trek shows are shown regularly in the UK, the only one that isn't currently airing I believe is DSN but that was on earlier in the year. And it's not uncommon for multiple channels to be showing ST in the UK at the moment they are: -

TOS - CBS Action,
TNG - CBS Action, Horror Channel, Syfy
VOY - Syfy
ENT - Sky Atlantic

This happened on Wednesday 29th October

Trek convergence on Sky

7.00pm-9.00pm Sky Sci-fi movies showed Nemesis
6.20pm-7.20pm Horror Channel showed TNG season 1
7.20pm-8.20pm Horror plus 1 showed the same
8.00pm-9.00pm CBS action showed a later season of TNG
7.00pm-8.00pm Syfy had TNG season 2
7.00pm-8:00pm Syfy+1 had DS9 season 7
8.00pm-9.00pm Syfy+1 had TNG season 2

and to top it off
7.00-7.30pm Sky 1+1 had the Trek episode of Futurama!

So at 8pm for 20 minutes Picard and co were on four channels at once.

But part of all that TNG is purely down to the fact they've been able to sell it again in HD.

And if you're interested coming up over the next week according to the Sky TV guide

STID - Sky Action
TMP - Film 4
TWOK - Viva
TSFS - Viva
ST09 - Film 4
TVH - Viva

 

[BillJ]

^As has been pointed out global Blu-ray sales are just one revenue stream there are others such as :-

1.>Domestic TV Sales
2.>International TV sales
3.>Domestic Streaming rights
4.>International Streaming rights

With more and more HD channels, stations will want content to air. Sure in the short term any remastering project might lose money, but long term it is probable to make a return on the investment. The only question is will the bean counters look at the long term picture. If there were sensible and did decide to go ahead with a remastering of DSN and VOY they should do it in 4K to protect it for the future even more so. But lets see what the bean counters decide. Who knows they might be looking at 2018 and DSN's 25th Anniversary for the first release.

I'd love to see the last two series make it to HD. But don't you think CBS is calculating ALL the various revenue streams that would be available to support such a project?

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Geez, UK Trek runs laps around the US showings these days. I don't think DS9 has aired here in five years or more.

 

[DragonQ]

Geez, UK Trek runs laps around the US showings these days. I don't think DS9 has aired here in five years or more.

I thought it was pretty well known that the UK was a big Trek market?

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Geez, UK Trek runs laps around the US showings these days. I don't think DS9 has aired here in five years or more.

I thought it was pretty well known that the UK was a big Trek market?

No doubt it is and I either forgot or simply never knew. I'm not always on top of this stuff, as I'm not as into the finer details of my love for Trek as I sometimes wish I was.

 

[MacLeod]

^Which perhaps may explain why some of us on this side of the pond are saying there is a demand whilst on your side of the pond some say there isn't.


The UK Box Office figures for the last two ST films

ST09: US$35.4m or 28% of the total international box office
STID: US$39.4m or 16.5% of the total International Box Office

 

[Rarewolf]

Geez, UK Trek runs laps around the US showings these days. I don't think DS9 has aired here in five years or more.

I thought it was pretty well known that the UK was a big Trek market?

I think part of it is the number of channels has increased in recent years, and having TOS and TNG in HD has certainly helped them jump to the top of the list in getting shown.

Before all that it was the BBC that championed Trek in the UK - until Channel 4 poached Enterprise - they haven't shown it since, but I don't think they really buy imports any more.

It actually used to be easier to repeat US shows in the UK than UK shows, due to the unions. They limited the number of repeats - figuring if you were repeating an old show you wouldn't be employing new people to make new ones - but imports didn't count.

I think a new Trek show would start from scratch now. Any of the stations could bid for it. It could be a success for a smaller station with 1 million viewers, but there'd be no certainty a wider audience would ever see it. The days of 4.5 million on BBC2 are long gone.

 

[Admiral Bear]

The days of 4.5 million on BBC2 are long gone.

Ah, the halcyon days of a Wednesday evening at 6pm, rushing to the telly and BBC2 after a long slog at work to catch a new TNG episode.

And before TNG, that was the TOS slot.

Good times.

 

[weissmr]

With TNG Blurays wrapped up, I was trying to do some research to see how each season set has been selling - or really any info regarding the entire project's sales/revenue. The only numbers I could find were for season one - 95,000 or so sold in the first week. The articles I found listed the $9m budget for the first season.

I must admit, I thought all of TNG was remastered for that $9m.

Did CBS really spend $60m on the TNG project? That is a very large chunk of change, and I can see why the suits my have a hard time justifying such an investment in DS9.

Do we know how much it cost to remaster TOS?

If it will cost $60m to remaster DS9, then I take back my previous comments about the streaming paying for it. I'm sure trek is lumped into other CBS content for a big chunk of change. I doubt the treks are specifically called out and negotiated for by these streaming companies.

I AM STILL HOPEFUL! I have been watching DS9 on Netflix lately and the colors are just terrible. I have the entire series on DVD but I haven't pulled them out to compare. A DS9 remaster would be quite beautiful!

 

[DragonQ]

Even if the costs are too prohibitive now it's likely that they will come down in the future. The problem is that the earlier DS9 and Voyager are remastered, the sooner CBS/Paramount/whoever can make money from it, so it's a bit of a catch 22. Also, if those numbers are true then the TNG remastering will easily produce a profit, probably from BD sales alone. The general consensus here though is that DS9 and Voyager will cost more to remaster since it's likely that many CGI effects will need to be redone. If most of the original CGI can just be touched up and rerendered it won't be so bad but right now we don't really know the situation.

 

[MacLeod]

The days of 4.5 million on BBC2 are long gone.

Ah, the halcyon days of a Wednesday evening at 6pm, rushing to the telly and BBC2 after a long slog at work to catch a new TNG episode.

And before TNG, that was the TOS slot.

Good times.

ST did quite well in that slot, at it's peak during S3 of TNG didn't it hit over 6m viewers. Well when it wasn't being pre-empted for the great television god of Sport.