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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

As I recall she put four bullets in his chest. While not instantly lethal, it's hard for a person not to bleed out from that in a matter of minutes. In a way that's even more cold than just finishing him off with a headshot. She killed him the slow way...or would have if it weren't for the kevlar.

Speaking of: it wasn't a full vest, just a kevlar plate slipped into the side of his leather jacket and as we saw, it only caught two of the slugs. If Agent 33 hadn't come along there's a good chance he would have bled out. People appear to be under the misapprehension that a person can't be badly wounded when wearing a bulletproof vest. Short of a full suit of body-armour that's just not the case.
Even in full tac gear there are soft spots between the plates, around the joints and other regions that the wearing will need to flexibility. At best a vest protects the vital organs as much as is *practical*, as in not so much that the wearing can't operate effectively.

Same with any safety gear really and speaking as someone who at one point in his life went to work with a hardhat, high-vis vest, fall harness and steel toecapped boots, I can tell you that nothing makes you invulnerable. It'a all about reducing (not eliminating) risk and minimising injury in the case of an accident...and keeping the bloody health and safety inspectors off your back. ;)

In Ward's case, he a covert operative/wetwork specialist who needs to move fast, light and blend in with a civilian crowd. Under those parameters, a few kevlar plates sewn into a jacket lining is as much protection as he can get away with. Anything more would be a hindrance.
Okay, that all makes sense. Especially since she shot him at pretty close range.
 
Okay, PHEW! Caught-up! A lot happening in the series and very, very interesting to see where things go from here. Man, I just wish we could have seen Skye's father "hulk out", damn-you Coulson!

The imagery of Skye breaking out of her cocoon was bit silly-dramatic but also kind-of cool. Be interesting to see where the show goes in March! Now, looking forward to the Peggy Carter series.
 
I'm wondering if Whitehall is really dead. The blood or whatever he took from Mrs. Hyde made him young again, maybe he will heal up? The GH serum seems based on the same tech, maybe Whitehall was one of the creators of it, it can certainly bring back people in worse condition.

I'm divided because he was a really good villian but also there are plenty of characters to have fill in his place, and I like seeing more different characters, but I'd pick him to come back.

I'm still hoping to see a better version of A.I.M. and see MODOK.

Plus, there are other branches of HYDRA.

Since Skye has become Daisy and Agent 33 seems to be on her way to become Madame Hydra, (she certainly has the scar) maybe, will Ward turn into someone, too?
 
Okay, PHEW! Caught-up! A lot happening in the series and very, very interesting to see where things go from here. Man, I just wish we could have seen Skye's father "hulk out", damn-you Coulson!

The imagery of Skye breaking out of her cocoon was bit silly-dramatic but also kind-of cool. Be interesting to see where the show goes in March! Now, looking forward to the Peggy Carter series.

I liked that scene. It was an intentional comic book moment, right down to the pose Skye was in. It was the first time the show has done a sequence where the shots could have been taken straight from a comic. Arrow and Flash do this almost every episode.
 
^The actor's not that bad. Plus, bad guy Ward blows good guy Ward out of the water.

Yeah the trouble with "Good Guy Ward" was the writing, not the acting, which we now know in retrospect was intentionally bland and cloying. "Nutter Ward" is by far a more interesting ad three dimensional character and the actor is playing him well.

That said, they need to take him in a new direction pretty soon, since this puppy-dog/stalker ex-boyfriend type obsession with Skye will get old pretty fast. With a bit of luck the two slugs in his rib cage may have gotten the message through. ;)
 
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^The actor's not that bad. Plus, bad guy Ward blows good guy Ward out of the water.

Yeah the trouble with "Good Guy Ward" was the writing, not the acting, which we now know in retrospect was intentionally bland and cloying. "Nutter Ward" is by far a more interesting ad three dimensional character and the actor is playing him well.
Agreed- it really set up the contrast well when you finally see him as he truly is.
 
I expect Ward to still be a bit troubled but I think he may finally get over Skye. I'm not sure what his next goal will be though. Without Garret or a current head to Hydra to guide him and with his Shield ties lost, what's he going to be up to?

Also, does he inherited his parent's and brother's money? His brother definitely had "deep pockets".
 
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Maybe now that he has his own May, he might be persuaded to forget Skye but I think this is going to be a long running arc between the two, one that will develop over time.

In retrospect, what was done with Ward is probably one of the most brilliant things about the show. It would have worked better if there was more going on at the beginning of the first season that his blandness at the time wouldn't have been so noticeable. When I saw that he was coming back for this season I suspected that there would be the traditional mind control trope and he would be back on the team within a few episodes. What was done was so much better. There really is no chance of redemption for him now.

It is always possible that he takes on more of a Spike-style role in the future, working occasionally with the team but he can never be more than an anti-hero now.
 
I liked Whitehall- his "Discovery requires experimentation" was so self-justifingly creepy. With that special blood already making him young, recovering from being shot is not unreasonable- it will also give Cal something to do later.
If Whitehall remains out of the picture I wonder who will run Hydra now?
 
I think Baron Strucker has his whole other branch of HYDRA and I'm sure there's going to be other independent branches.

I think that's basically what we've been seeing. Coulson destroyed the Garret chapter of HYDRA, now the Whitehall chapter seems to be destroyed or in decline. There will be others. Maybe that cut off a head and two more will take it's place is more than just a slogan. I could see some kind contingency plan where there are two designated successors that take over the cell, maybe even split it into two cells to give one a better chance of escaping and reestablishing itself.
 
I liked Whitehall- his "Discovery requires experimentation" was so self-justifingly creepy. With that special blood already making him young, recovering from being shot is not unreasonable- it will also give Cal something to do later.
If Whitehall remains out of the picture I wonder who will run Hydra now?
Well, I'm not in favor of this theory, but Strucker and others' divisions aside, a lot of fans have theorized that Red Skull is still alive because he was teleported and not disintegrated by the Tesseract in 1945.
 
^The actor's not that bad. Plus, bad guy Ward blows good guy Ward out of the water.

Yeah the trouble with "Good Guy Ward" was the writing, not the acting, which we now know in retrospect was intentionally bland and cloying. "Nutter Ward" is by far a more interesting ad three dimensional character and the actor is playing him well.

That said, they need to take him in a new direction pretty soon, since this puppy-dog/stalker ex-boyfriend type obsession with Skye will get old pretty fast. With a bit of luck the two slugs in his rib cage may have gotten the message through. ;)

They were probably writing him a bit boring at times on purpose, already realizing in broad strokes what they were gonna do with the character.

Right now, I love what they are doing with Ward, but I do agree they can't keep it up for long.
 
^The actor's not that bad. Plus, bad guy Ward blows good guy Ward out of the water.

I agree that "bad guy Ward" is more interesting than "good guy Ward" was but, still, it seems like every cliché is being pulled out of the book for him. Including the "taking multiple rounds to the chest, happens to be wearing armor, but one of the bullets caused superficial injury that's easily overcome."

He's not quite mustache-twirling villain stage right now, he's still mostly on the henchman level. Sort of the, "tossing a hate with a knife edge while running parkour" levels of cliched minor-villain/henchman.
 
^I'd dispute "easily overcome." When Agent 33 find him, he's clearly in trouble and would probably have croaked without her help. There's an ocean of difference between almost bleeding out and brushing it off as a flesh wound.

As for the armour, they do play fair in that if you watch closely, when Skye shoots him he does have a split second reaction and brings his jacket up and you see at least one bullet strike something.

Not exactly a cliché in my book. That'd be if she shot him once, point blank in the chest and he later gets up to find <insert unlikely bulletproof item here> that just happened to be in his breast pocket caught the bullet. Indeed the whole shooting scene is a classic Whendon style subversion of a cliché.
 
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