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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

Whereas, the guy Mal killed in "The Train Job" was literally a helpless prisoner. Sure, he was threatening Mal and company, but he was tied up and quite helpless. Prisoner murder is very different from self-defense against an armed and dangerous opponent.

Its not about SHIELD, but I always assumed Mal just intended to kick him off the ramp of Serenity, not murder the guy by kicking him into the intake of the engines. At least by his disgusted reaction.

No, I'm sure he did it on purpose. Whedon's intent was for Mal to be much darker and morally ambiguous. Fox demanded the more cuddly and righteous hero we got. We saw the Whedon version of Mal in the movie, when he executed the surrendering Fed who was climbing out of the ship that had killed Book.
 
My point about the two 'FireFly moments' was not really about the nature of what happened but the surprising left turn things took from the traditional expectations.
TV shows tend to follow a particular formula of having bad guys escape after being defeated and returning half a season later to cause trouble again. Ward's escaping federal custody is a good example. It is when a show leads you to expect it will follow a traditional pattern then suddenly does the unexpected that I really enjoy.
Other examples would be the improved scene with Indiana Jones shooting the swordman in Raiders, an extended fight scene was planned but Harrison Ford was ill and just decided to shoot instead. The actor playing had the wisdom to fall dead and so it was captured perfectly.

Agents of Shield is a well crafted show- it does at times have people doing things which would be rather stupid but allows the story to advance. March 3rd is a long ways off...
 
My point about the two 'FireFly moments' was not really about the nature of what happened but the surprising left turn things took from the traditional expectations.
TV shows tend to follow a particular formula of having bad guys escape after being defeated and returning half a season later to cause trouble again. Ward's escaping federal custody is a good example. It is when a show leads you to expect it will follow a traditional pattern then suddenly does the unexpected that I really enjoy.
Other examples would be the improved scene with Indiana Jones shooting the swordman in Raiders, an extended fight scene was planned but Harrison Ford was ill and just decided to shoot instead. The actor playing had the wisdom to fall dead and so it was captured perfectly.

The Hulk/Loki scene in Avengers is what came to my mind when the moment in Shield happened.
Actually, the Rocket Raccoon/Nebula moment is similar too... Marvel might need to pull back a bit on these moments now that I'm thinking about it...
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the intention at the moment is for Tripp to be dead. If they intended for us to think he survived, the scene would have probably been a bit more ambiguous. I wouldn't put it past the people making the show to change their minds, and find a way to bring him back, but at this point he looks pretty dead.
 
Sorry to see Triplett go. At the end of last season, I couldn't stand him as I thought BJ Britt was easily the worst actor among the cast, but the character grew on me so far this season
I felt the same way about B.J. Britt's performance of Tripp, except that at no point did I actually "dislike" Tripp. i would have to give Britt credit for making Tripp likable even to someone who wasn't liking his acting. Britt has a southern accent and always seemed to be struggling to reconcile that with his dialogue.

Really sorry to see Tripp go, I was just watching the season 1 episode again where he hauls out his grandfather's old Howling Commandos gear. Gonna miss that link to the past.
 
Wait, earlier Marvel announced an upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D. comic series featuring Earth-616 adaptations of Coulson's team members on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Didn't the tentative artwork of issue 1 show Skye? How is that supposed to work if MCU Skye is a version of Daisy Quake?
This very question was brought up in today's "Axel-in-charge" interview at CBR...

Was the character with a purple jacket next to Thing on the "S.H.I.E.L.D." #1 cover indeed intended to be Skye, and now that it's been revealed that Skye is the TV series' version of Daisy Johnson, will Daisy play a part in the "S.H.I.E.L.D." comic?

Alonso: Yes, the character in that promo piece was Skye. And yes, we knew the reveal was coming. We decided to include her in the promo because not doing so would have raised questions, since she's so central to the show. While she won't appear at all in any of our early issues -- we wanted the TV show to take point and we didn't want to step on their toes -- you can count on Quake appearing in the series at some point.
 
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I don't think Skye is willing to kill except in immediate self-defense or the defense of others. She shot Ward knowing he'd survive, but be incapacitated and unable to overpower her. That was her only goal.

Possibly-- but she did shoot him in the chest, not the knees. :rommie:

Well, there are two possibilities then:

1. She intended to kill him and therefore shot him in the chest, but did not stick around to ensure he died because she had to move fast.

2. She intuited that Grant would have a bullet-proof vest (was that a vest?) and shot him knowing it would disable but not kill him.
I'd say #1 is the most likely. He did seem to be wearing some kind of vest, but he was also bleeding from a bullet wound. Either he was wearing a badly refurbished vest from overstock.com or Skye knew exactly where to shoot to get past it. Or maybe they forgot that he shouldn't be wearing a vest in that scene. :rommie:
 
As I recall she put four bullets in his chest. While not instantly lethal, it's hard for a person not to bleed out from that in a matter of minutes. In a way that's even more cold than just finishing him off with a headshot. She killed him the slow way...or would have if it weren't for the kevlar.

Speaking of: it wasn't a full vest, just a kevlar plate slipped into the side of his leather jacket and as we saw, it only caught two of the slugs. If Agent 33 hadn't come along there's a good chance he would have bled out. People appear to be under the misapprehension that a person can't be badly wounded when wearing a bulletproof vest. Short of a full suit of body-armour that's just not the case.
Even in full tac gear there are soft spots between the plates, around the joints and other regions that the wearing will need to flexibility. At best a vest protects the vital organs as much as is *practical*, as in not so much that the wearing can't operate effectively.

Same with any safety gear really and speaking as someone who at one point in his life went to work with a hardhat, high-vis vest, fall harness and steel toecapped boots, I can tell you that nothing makes you invulnerable. It'a all about reducing (not eliminating) risk and minimising injury in the case of an accident...and keeping the bloody health and safety inspectors off your back. ;)

In Ward's case, he a covert operative/wetwork specialist who needs to move fast, light and blend in with a civilian crowd. Under those parameters, a few kevlar plates sewn into a jacket lining is as much protection as he can get away with. Anything more would be a hindrance.
 
Wait, earlier Marvel announced an upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D. comic series featuring Earth-616 adaptations of Coulson's team members on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Didn't the tentative artwork of issue 1 show Skye? How is that supposed to work if MCU Skye is a version of Daisy Quake?
This very question was brought up in today's "Axel-in-charge" interview at CBR...

Was the character with a purple jacket next to Thing on the "S.H.I.E.L.D." #1 cover indeed intended to be Skye, and now that it's been revealed that Skye is the TV series' version of Daisy Johnson, will Daisy play a part in the "S.H.I.E.L.D." comic?

Alonso: Yes, the character in that promo piece was Skye. And yes, we knew the reveal was coming. We decided to include her in the promo because not doing so would have raised questions, since she's so central to the show. While she won't appear at all in any of our early issues -- we wanted the TV show to take point and we didn't want to step on their toes -- you can count on Quake appearing in the series at some point.

Very cool. I'm glad they thought that through. It was definitely smart to include her in initial promo pics because, yes, not doing so would have tipped people off. People here and elsewhere actually rejected the idea of Skye being a comic book character because she would appear in the 616 universe.
 
Donnie Gill isn't quite portrayed as a villain yet, but the Absorbing Man Crusher Creel certainly counts. Mister Hyde isn't even entirely a villain in this. He's a bad person, yes, but not a villain.

Whitehall (Kraken) is truly villainous, though. He takes Red Skull and turns him up to Hans Landa.
 
I just finished reading the latest issue of Inhuman.

It fell behind the radiator in the spare room.

Obvious fire risk, lucky I'm not dead.

I think what we have here with the eyeless bloke last week, if he is Reader, is what happened with the new (black) Aqualad long enough ago that I should stop calling him "new". TV invented the character, offered it to the comics, but because comics roll out faster than TV, or maybe TV wanted him in a few books before his television debut, his behind the scenes origin becomes suspect.
 
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