Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Alidar Jarok]

I think I heard Steve Gerber mentioned. Englehart would have been logical to mention because they talked about how Captain America followed the pulse of the nation. But I think they only did it to talk about Civil War, not the time that Richard Nixon was part of a giant evil conspiracy.

They did mention Jim Shooter, who was a huge reason for all that stuff as editor rather than writer.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jim was unrecognisably in it talking for several minutes about the good old days.

Cut and pasted from he imdb listing...

Axel Alonso ... Himself
Hayley Atwell ... Herself
Gerry Conroy ... Himself
Louis D'Esposito ... Himself
Alan Fine ... Himself
Jimmy Kimmel ... Himself
Ralph Macchio ... Himself
Todd McFarlane ... Himself
Nicole Perlman ... Herself
Joe Quesada ... Himself
Peter Sanderson ... Himself
Jim Shooter ... Himself
Kevin Smith ... Himself
Jim Starlin ... Himself
Emily VanCamp ... Herself - Host
Len Wein ... Himself
Ming-Na Wen ... Herself

Many people were there that had made our childhoods.

 

[Forbin]

I was disappointed, with that roll call of creators an innovators from various eras, they didn't mention Ann Nocenti (she's a friend).

I loved Nocenti's work on Daredevil and I know she was involved in X-Men for awhile. But she never quite made her mark in a way that was easy to throw in for a 45 minute special. You inevitably have to leave someone out. I think Frank Miller only got a mention regarding the maturing of comics (with Daredevil). I don't think he got any other mention.

I was saddened the Rob Liefeld's name got mentioned three or four times, though.

McFarlane sure got enough screen time. And he just posted on facebook, after attending a panel in NYC together, how Ann gave him his big break.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.

Case in point he apparently did this at some point.

And no those aren't new characters.

 

[Vendikarr]

Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.

Case in point he apparently did this at some point.

And no those aren't new characters.

Wow, they barely look human.

 

[FPAlpha]

Which is the entire point of the critique Liefeld gets.. technically he could draw (for sure better than i do) but he's like the Michael Bay of comic book artists.. "Screw anatomy, variation or even realism, i do what i want!"

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.

Case in point he apparently did this at some point.

And no those aren't new characters.

Wow, they barely look human.

And not remotely like Richard Hatch, Dirk Benedict, or John Colicos.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.

I wonder if they mentioned any of the guys who really brought comics into the adult world, like Englehart, Moench, McGregor, Wolfman, and Gerber.

Englehart was briefly shown as one of the interview subjects. The others you listed I don't believe were mentioned.

The special smoothly side-stepped Marvel's editor-in-chief musical chairs fiasco of the 70s by just jumping from Stan Lee to Jim Shooter. Poor Roy Thomas and the parade of E-I-C that followed him.

Weird seeing Denny O'Neill in a non-DC comics retrospective. I loved the inclusion of Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza in this. And after shitting on Agents of SHIELD at every possible opportunity last year, Steranko graces our TV screens with his cheap toupee and Robert Evans grin to toss his two-cents into the mix.

 

[kitik]

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.... and “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will return on Tuesday, March 3 in their regular time periods with all-new episodes.

 

[NCC1701MF]

Being that they are talking about the Netherlands, shouldn't it be "dikes" instead of "bikes".

This was supposed to be reply to a post from a few days ago, but it ended up here.

 

[RJDiogenes]

They did mention Jim Shooter, who was a huge reason for all that stuff as editor rather than writer.

Actually, most of those guys had left by the time Shooter took over (everybody but Moench, I think). But he definitely deserves credit for revitalizing the company (and the industry) and developing new talent.

Gerry Conroy ... Himself

I assume they mean Gerry Conway, who was a decent, but not brilliant, writer. Len Wein was also a very good writer, but not one I'd call a trendsetter. Jim Starlin, though, was an innovator.

Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.

Case in point he apparently did this at some point.

And no those aren't new characters.

Unbelievable. And he was a comic-book rock star.

 

[bbjeg]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...for-galavant-and-marvels-agent-carter/324468/

.... and “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will return on Tuesday, March 3 in their regular time periods with all-new episodes.

You worried me for a second. That's the date Shield will return after Agent Carter airs. You made me think for a second that there isn't a new episode next Tuesday and that we had to wait until March for another episode.

 

[Silvercrest]

Unbelievable. And he was a comic-book rock star.

He's the comic-book equivalent of glam rock. Maybe disco.

 

[Marsden]

Unbelievable. And he was a comic-book rock star.

He's the comic-book equivalent of glam rock. Maybe disco.

Maybe Brittany Spears.

I didn't recognize the name, but when I saw the art I remembered that was when I stopped buying the books.

 

[Greg Cox]

The one person I thought was conspicuously missing from the special was Roy Thomas, who was never even mentioned.

I mean, I get that it makes a simpler narrative for TV audiences to go straight from Stan Lee to Jim Shooter, and that they couldn't mention everybody, but Thomas was the first writer/editor to really pick up the torch and run with what Stan had created. It's a shame they skipped over him.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I asked Roy to sign my copy of the Neal Adams collection of X-Men (Which I just realized is missing. MISSING!) but then he altered the cover changing the name of the book to THE ROY THOMAS and Neal Adams collection of X-Men.

Nice sense of humour.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

The one person I thought was conspicuously missing from the special was Roy Thomas, who was never even mentioned.

I mean, I get that it makes a simpler narrative for TV audiences to go straight from Stan Lee to Jim Shooter, and that they couldn't mention everybody, but Thomas was the first writer/editor to really pick up the torch and run with what Stan had created. It's a shame they skipped over him.

Yeah, Roy always seems like a modest and genuinely nice guy, and his knowledge of comics history (some of which, he was on hand to witness!) is astounding. In the special, I noticed that Peter Sanderson filled the role of comics historian so maybe the producers thought that Roy Thomas would've been redundant. But like you said, it is still a shame.

Roy was never a flashy or highly-regarded writer but he was a solid story-teller and he has left his mark on the Marvel universe. Hell, his pursuit of the Conan license for Marvel in the late 60s/early 70s helped Robert Howard's work stay relevant and known during a period when it could very well have disappeared from the public conciousness. As a Howard fan, I'll always be grateful to him for that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought the chronology was a bit off...e.g., they'd have Agent 13 do a voiceover about Jim Shooter taking over in 1978, then do a montage about developments in the early 70s.

I picked up on that bad transition as well.
The 40-60's era stuff felt very chronological, if rushed due to time constraints, which I get.

Then this part. Not a smooth transition and it skipped the 80's going straight to late 90's and the Bankruptcy situation.
Then boom Civil War and finished with the TV/Movie clips.

They had some odd juxtapositions. Like Byrne artwork during the bit on the 40s. Or a cover with the blurb
"Captain America Commie Smasher" when the narration was talking about Cap fighting fascists.

For the most part it was a decent overview of Marvel's history and emergence as a film studio.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Roy was never a flashy or highly-regarded writer but he was a solid story-teller and he has left his mark on the Marvel universe. Hell, his pursuit of the Conan license for Marvel in the late 60s/early 70s helped Robert Howard's work stay relevant and known during a period when it could very well have disappeared from the public conciousness. As a Howard fan, I'll always be grateful to him for that.

Roy was probably one of the leading writers of the late 60s and early 70s. His run on the Avengers and X-Men are seminal to what the titles would become. Much more significant than Stan's run on those titles. I'd say in the early 70s the Avengers written by Thomans and later Englehart, had overtaken the Fantastic Four as Marvel's flagship team book. Roy was Stan's successor in many ways, but never the showman Stan was. By then the company had become too big for one man to leave an imprint on. Though I think Shooter tried.

IIRC, he was also the guy that green lit the "All New All Different X-Men". In addition to Conan he also brought Star Wars to Marvel.

 

[kitik]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...for-galavant-and-marvels-agent-carter/324468/

.... and “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will return on Tuesday, March 3 in their regular time periods with all-new episodes.

You worried me for a second. That's the date Shield will return after Agent Carter airs. You made me think for a second that there isn't a new episode next Tuesday and that we had to wait until March for another episode.

Sorry, my bad.

Yeah, there are still new episodes to come before the winter/Christmas/Agent Carter break.

In fact, does anyone know exactly how many episodes will actually air before AOS goes on break? 2 or 3 more? Maybe 4?