Seven Of Nine's Maturity?

[Captain Kathryn]

American dating is odd.

Woman let a series of men simultaneously feed them. Some of these men pretend they like dancing.

If nothing goes wrong, after an extended period of time, exclusive dating begins.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, sex beings.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, then move in together.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, they get married.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, they have a child.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, they have affairs.

If nothing goes wrong after an extended period of time, one of them dies.



Dating is different here.

The woman wakes up pregnant and hungover, introduces herself to her baby daddy and they decide whether a morning after pill is necessary.

If it isn't, then it was meant to be.

^^Yeah I know that lol.

I am still trying to get used to it (currently am with an English guy).

He considered us exclusive right away which in America after only one date or whatever that normally wouldn't be the case.

It's weird because even though sex is casual in the UK, monogamy seems to take precedence and dating multiple people simultaneously seems frowned upon (which is fine with me, I don't like the idea either), I suppose because casual dating there is not really a "thing". You're either together or you're not I guess.

It makes me laugh sometimes because the culture seems conservative about certain things regarding sex and romance, but in actuality sex (and even pregnancy) seems entirely casual too. It's like an oxymoron.

Some stuff that I would normally take seriously, he shrugs off.
Other stuff that I would shrug off, he takes seriously haha.

But one thing I learned even before I met him was that in the UK there is no concept of "the guy always paying". So when I go to see him next week I will be paying for my own stuff and I am fine with that. Maybe it's just the guys I have dated in the past, but I rarely had a meal bought for me in America! Then again, I've always tended to end up with non-wealthy men.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

I assumed you meant the UK, but I actually don't know where you are!

 

[Guy Gardener]

New Zealand.

But I've seen enough Coronation Street to understand your pickle.

One of my favourite quotes is from American Gothic when the sultry School ma'am who sold her soul to the devil says "Sex does not equal love, hell in this day and age, sex doesn't even equal dinner and a movie."

On the first date, when impressions are being made, if impressions have to be made, paying for things is either seen as a powertrip, good manners or obnoxiousness depending on who these people are, and then of course there's the cost of the date to be considered, an adult can't expect to be rewarded with cool points for handling a 40 dollar cheque all by yourself, but what if one of the daters takes the other somewhere excessively expensive and half the cost of the experience could be over a thousand dollars?

Know your enemy.

What I was trying to say is that Seven went on one date and then stopped.

What a wussy.

If there was no expectation of romance... Tom "dated" half the female crew and almost every lady alien the ship ran across in the first season because he's gross. I would have loved a scene early on where the women were having a laugh about the Tom Paris Show.

On Greys Anatomy years ago, the nurses banned Dr Mark Sloan (The Captain on Last Ship). No one would work with him. So Bailey, the tiny African American one (seriously! Four foot 11!) got up in front of the nursing staff and made a speech "This man is a dirty whore, and the only thing you can expect from a dirty whore is that he is a dirty whore, so stop expecting more from this dirty whore than he is capable of giving, you know what you signed up for when you agreed to, humpf, date him, and now you're all surprised that the dirty whore is a dirty whore? Grow up and get back to work!"

So yes, going on one date is not dating.

It's the journey not the destination.

She spent more time selecting her date than dating him.

(I remember something?)

"I done it. I perfected sex. over the holidays I mastered sex. I won. I won sex. So yup, I don't have to do that again. On with the rest of my life."

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Where I live there is no "dating" in the american sense and the cost of housing is so exorbitant that when you meet someone, directly after sleeping with them you begin discussing who will move in with who based on how much money you could potentially be saving.

This is an exaggeration of course but people do move in VERY fast (to the detriment of the relationship) because it's so economically attractive.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Which has to make divorce so annoying.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes well someone usually stays in the current residence so imagine suddenly doubling all your bills and rent/mortgage and halving your income. Or something like that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Opposed to them both staying on separate sides of the house, while finding new spouses and halving the payments on everything?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

That's a good idea if you can wrangle an extra bedroom. But then you would have all the fighting about chores, there would be rosters on the refrigerator and by the time you get to that point you might as well move out and live in a share house with people you don't (yet) hate.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The woman who lives upstairs from me goes through at least one roll of toilet paper a day.

This is ridiculous, but on the bright side, no one else is ever expected to buy toilet paper.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Where I live there is no "dating" in the american sense and the cost of housing is so exorbitant that when you meet someone, directly after sleeping with them you begin discussing who will move in with who based on how much money you could potentially be saving.

This is an exaggeration of course but people do move in VERY fast (to the detriment of the relationship) because it's so economically attractive.

Melbourne was picked as the "most liveable" city in the world recently! No wonder it's expensive. It sure is beautiful though!

Yeah I don't mind moving fast. I don't do the "dating" thing myself and I really only bother having a relationship with someone I really like anyway so it's okay with me.

Dating is exhausting. I like the relationship phase. If I get to skip the American dating part, I am totally okay with that.

Where I live is considered very expensive in the U.S., and I have noticed that my generation moves in a lot faster for the economic convenience. I wouldn't do it myself for that purpose, but I have noticed it happening more and more.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

And ooooh Guy I didn't know you were in New Zealand. I've always wanted to visit there! It looks so beautiful! But it's REALLY far away (from me, anyway).

 

[Captain Kathryn]

New Zealand.

But I've seen enough Coronation Street to understand your pickle.

One of my favourite quotes is from American Gothic when the sultry School ma'am who sold her soul to the devil says "Sex does not equal love, hell in this day and age, sex doesn't even equal dinner and a movie."

On the first date, when impressions are being made, if impressions have to be made, paying for things is either seen as a powertrip, good manners or obnoxiousness depending on who these people are, and then of course there's the cost of the date to be considered, an adult can't expect to be rewarded with cool points for handling a 40 dollar cheque all by yourself, but what if one of the daters takes the other somewhere excessively expensive and half the cost of the experience could be over a thousand dollars?

Know your enemy.

What I was trying to say is that Seven went on one date and then stopped.

What a wussy.

If there was no expectation of romance... Tom "dated" half the female crew and almost every lady alien the ship ran across in the first season because he's gross. I would have loved a scene early on where the women were having a laugh about the Tom Paris Show.

On Greys Anatomy years ago, the nurses banned Dr Mark Sloan (The Captain on Last Ship). No one would work with him. So Bailey, the tiny African American one (seriously! Four foot 11!) got up in front of the nursing staff and made a speech "This man is a dirty whore, and the only thing you can expect from a dirty whore is that he is a dirty whore, so stop expecting more from this dirty whore than he is capable of giving, you know what you signed up for when you agreed to, humpf, date him, and now you're all surprised that the dirty whore is a dirty whore? Grow up and get back to work!"

So yes, going on one date is not dating.

It's the journey not the destination.

She spent more time selecting her date than dating him.

(I remember something?)

"I done it. I perfected sex. over the holidays I mastered sex. I won. I won sex. So yup, I don't have to do that again. On with the rest of my life."

I have NEVER in my life been on that type of a date that Seven went on where there's all of these archaic expectations, etc. Literally I have never been treated to that type of American-style date. I'm much more of a "let's just get to the relationship" type.

I love this episode though, it's fantastic.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Where I live there is no "dating" in the american sense and the cost of housing is so exorbitant that when you meet someone, directly after sleeping with them you begin discussing who will move in with who based on how much money you could potentially be saving.

This is an exaggeration of course but people do move in VERY fast (to the detriment of the relationship) because it's so economically attractive.

Melbourne was picked as the "most liveable" city in the world recently! No wonder it's expensive. It sure is beautiful though!

It is the GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Years ago, I showed up to a party with my female flatmate and not my girlfriend, which is when a person who has no grasp of sarcasm asked me if I was going out with my flatmate now instead of my girlfriend... I answered this stupid question "Of course, we couldn't ignore the convenience of living across the hall from each other compared to how much goofing around with public transit I could forget about if I dumped Vanessa. It was an obvious and inevitable solution."

I went missing for four days.

This was before cellphones.

(Before cellphones for me.)

So when I resurfaced my girlfriend yelled and yelled, as much as my flatmate yelled and yelled and yelled because they had been coping with damage control and fallout from that harmless comment for FOURDAYS as they we constantly given commiserations or called a dirty mistress by nosey judgemental bastards.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Years ago, I showed up to a party with my female flatmate and not my girlfriend, which is when a person who has no grasp of sarcasm asked me if I was going out with my flatmate now instead of my girlfriend... I answered this stupid question "Of course, we couldn't ignore the convenience of living across the hall from each other compared to how much goofing around with public transit I could forget about if I dumped Vanessa. It was an obvious and inevitable solution."

I went missing for four days.

This was before cellphones.

(Before cellphones for me.)

So when I resurfaced my girlfriend yelled and yelled, as much as my flatmate yelled and yelled and yelled because they had been coping with damage control and fallout from that harmless comment for FOURDAYS as they we constantly given commiserations or called a dirty mistress by nosey judgemental bastards.

Oh misunderstandings.

That sounds dreadful...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Where I live there is no "dating" in the american sense and the cost of housing is so exorbitant that when you meet someone, directly after sleeping with them you begin discussing who will move in with who based on how much money you could potentially be saving.

This is an exaggeration of course but people do move in VERY fast (to the detriment of the relationship) because it's so economically attractive.

Melbourne was picked as the "most liveable" city in the world recently! No wonder it's expensive. It sure is beautiful though!

It is the GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

I always get this confused, is the greatest city in the world, the city with the most Starbucks or the least Starbucks?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What do you mean you went missing? Were you unconscious, did some Hero knock you on the head to avenge the girlfriend's honour?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Melbourne was picked as the "most liveable" city in the world recently! No wonder it's expensive. It sure is beautiful though!

It is the GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

I always get this confused, is the greatest city in the world, the city with the most Starbucks or the least Starbucks?

I can give you a list of every Starbucks I've noticed go out of business in the last couple years, and that's just me noticing them and chortling. They are good for wifi and comfortable couches though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What do you mean you went missing? Were you unconscious, did some Hero knock you on the head to avenge the girlfriend's honour?

You've never gone missing?

It's really quite fun if you do it right.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

If I went missing people would starve to death.