Star trek re-imagined.

[fireproof78]

Alright Im gonna borrow from BSG, and apply the idea to star trek. Make the show a hard sci fi version of star trek, with no aliens no ftl, transporters, force shields, artificial gravity, sub space commuication or other unknown techologies and stick to ones we know likely to exist.

Well, current state of physics does say a kind of "warp" engine would in effect move a vessel 10X the speed of light, which would still mean a voyage of a few months from here to Alpha Centauri. The energy required is fairly vast, but at least within reach. Barely.

Given that you're positing a solar system-based space opera (which strikes me as genuinely interesting), then the name "Star Trek" seems a misnomer.

I'll also note that Babylon 5 used spacecraft with rotating sections quite well.

But the "feel" of what you describe seems like something else. Something possibly very good indeed, but not Star Trek.

Part of me wonders why something more like the ability to cross in to other dimensions, and using them as bridges to cross vast distances. Not unlike Babylon 5's jumpgates.

I know that current research is involved in the concept of multiple dimensions, so that seems like a way to deal with the light speed barrier.

Though, I know it sounds a bit like hyperspace from various works.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Part of me wonders why something more like the ability to cross in to other dimensions, and using them as bridges to cross vast distances. Not unlike Babylon 5's jumpgates.

I know that current research is involved in the concept of multiple dimensions, so that seems like a way to deal with the light speed barrier.

Though, I know it sounds a bit like hyperspace from various works.

It's not the first time the idea has been thought of, but using "subspace" as an analogy to "hyperspace." I think it called for the deeper a ship went into subspace, the greater the space-time distortion with normal space and the faster it appears to be moving FTL to an outside observer (while actually never coming to close to reaching that within subspace itself).

 

[Tim Walker]

If an expansive period, "Wagon Train to the Stars" could be readily combined with ships "boldly" going. The Wagon Train part would be a wave of colonization, with exploratory ships in the vanguard.

 

[urbandefault]

If an expansive period, "Wagon Train to the Stars" could be readily combined with ships "boldly" going. The Wagon Train part would be a wave of colonization, with exploratory ships in the vanguard.

Limiting it to one solar system still sounds like Firefly to me.

 

[Melakon]

Too much is being made of "Wagon Train to the Stars". That was just Roddenberry's way of selling the idea to the suits, since Wagon Train one of the most popular westerns at the time. "Have Gun, Will Travel to the Stars" might have suggested a different kind of show.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gunsmoke to the stars!!!

Wait, that was DS9.

 

[urbandefault]

Too much is being made of "Wagon Train to the Stars". That was just Roddenberry's way of selling the idea to the suits, since Wagon Train one of the most popular westerns at the time. "Have Gun, Will Travel to the Stars" might have suggested a different kind of show.

I agree, at least to the first part. Wagon Train was an adventure across the wide expanse of the largely unexplored American West. Roddenberry proposed Trek to the suits in language they could understand.

To me, Have Gun, Will Travel was, in concept, closer to Mannix . That is, if Paladin drove a cool car and had a hot secretary and played golf.

 

[Tim Walker]

If an expansive period, "Wagon Train to the Stars" could be readily combined with ships "boldly" going. The Wagon Train part would be a wave of colonization, with exploratory ships in the vanguard.

Limiting it to one solar system still sounds like Firefly to me.

Unless this is actually a Trek series, with warp drive.

 

[Tim Walker]

What would Paladin be like in a Trek series?

 

[Tim Walker]

Gunsmoke to the stars!!!

Wait, that was DS9.

With World War III thrown in.

 

[sojourner]

Gunsmoke to the stars!!!

Wait, that was DS9.

With World War III thrown in.

Yo.

 

[fireproof78]

Too much is being made of "Wagon Train to the Stars". That was just Roddenberry's way of selling the idea to the suits, since Wagon Train one of the most popular westerns at the time. "Have Gun, Will Travel to the Stars" might have suggested a different kind of show.

I agree, at least to the first part. Wagon Train was an adventure across the wide expanse of the largely unexplored American West. Roddenberry proposed Trek to the suits in language they could understand.

To me, Have Gun, Will Travel was, in concept, closer to Mannix . That is, if Paladin drove a cool car and had a hot secretary and played golf.

Yes, Trek was pitched as essentially a Western in space. Looking at shows that ran concurrently with TOS it is easy to see how that would be appealing. Though, Lucille Ball thought that the show was about following movie stars.

I think keeping the Western feel in Trek would do more to add to the sense of adventure and excitement, if people recognized what Westerns represented at the time.

If we are trying to re-imagine a Trek series, I think colonization is a good start. Maybe utilize a concept from Firely about terraforming worlds in order to continue exploring and expanding. It creates conflict as to who gets to colonize where and have potential of outside threats.

A colony as a base, with a Starship to protect it, could start it off well.

 

[Squiggy]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

 

[Tim Walker]

I've noticed that I am not welcome here.

Good bye, everybody.

 

[BillJ]

I've noticed that I am not welcome here.

Good bye, everybody.

I don't see anything to indicate that.

 

[fireproof78]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

Right, but that's the difference between this idea and the other.

DS9 started on a station, a non-Federation station at that. So, you had problems prebuilt in to it, but not really a colony.

A colony provides a base of operations in terms of a place that is going to grow, will be affected by weather, animals, aliens, etc. Now, you bring a ship in from the get go, but make the ship the center of attention. It's a patrol vessel, designed to support the colony (or colonies) as they grow.

Then, as a possibility, you have the colony AND the starship form the beginning, instead of just the colony or station. The ship is the center of the action, and supports the colony.

This is actually an action that the Enterprise would do regularly, but was never really shown due to a crisis.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

Of all the reasons to criticize DS9, and there were many good reasons, "they don't go anywhere" was by far the stupidest.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

No, the runabouts were already able to lead them places. The Defiant was introduced because of the Dominion.

 

[wulfio]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

Of all the reasons to criticize DS9, and there were many good reasons, "they don't go anywhere" was by far the stupidest.

Ya I don't see an issue with that. The only thing that bothered me was early on, the one dimensional nature of the ferengi(bad writing not withstanding). And later on, the heavy religious stuff. I also really disliked ezri dax. They wrote Nicole de Boer too whiny. I just didn't find the stories that arose from her being dax interesting at all. I don't think Bashir finally getting dax was a big enough pay off for having to endure ezri. I would have preferred just bringing in a completely new character with a different tone; and you can still end it with Bashir gets the girl...

 

[Squiggy]

Being tied to one location was one of the major complaints with DS9. That's why they introduced the Defiant.

No, the runabouts were already able to lead them places. The Defiant was introduced because of the Dominion.

The runabouts let two or three members of the main cast have awkward dialogue as they traveled to their destination.

In universe, yes...the Defiant was stationed at DS9 because of the Dominion.

In real life, the Defiant was introduced because Star Trek = space ship.