Zeitgeist (Smashing Pumpkins)

[Docbrown777]

I only now just got around to buying their new album (new in that it came out summer of last year, but is the first album in seven years). It's pretty good stuff. Sure only two of the band members are original now but anyways...

Anyone else a Smashing Pumpkins fan? Any haters?

So far, I like Doomsday Clock, and Tarantula the best. I still need to listen to the whole album though.

 

[Pingfah]

I think it is a good album.

I thought Adore was their only poor album though. I really liked Machina, my favourite album is Siamese Dream. This was a pretty good comeback really, more in the style of their older stuff than Machina.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I think this thread would have a happier life in the TV & Media Forum. Energizing. Hmmmm.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Loved old Smashing Pumpkins. Thought Tarantula sounded really cool. Heard another song (some radio station was playing the entire album), thought it sounded bad. Didn't buy it.

I might give it another shot some day, though.

 

[Delsaber]

I really liked it. A lot of people say stuff like, "well, it's good, but it's not a Pumpkins album", which bothers me since it sounds pretty much exactly like the Pumpkins should sound circa 2007, whether they had remained active all those years or broken up or whatever else. Anyone who expected their style to remain static after a decade is just being silly.

For whatever reason, Starz is probably my favourite track off Zeitgeist. It's simple, but that rhythm just bores into my skull every time I hear it and won't let go.

 

[Michael]

It's better than some make it out to be. But personally I liked the old stuff more. "Doomsday Clock", "Bleeding The Orchid", "Tarantula" and "Starz" are the best songs. I really dislike "(Come On) Let's Go!" though.

BTW, has anyone downloaded the new Nine Inch Nails album "The Slip" yet?

 

[Pingfah]

I really liked it. A lot of people say stuff like, "well, it's good, but it's not a Pumpkins album", which bothers me since it sounds pretty much exactly like the Pumpkins should sound circa 2007, whether they had remained active all those years or broken up or whatever else. Anyone who expected their style to remain static after a decade is just being silly.

Also, I think people who criticise them for only having 2 original members are a bit silly too. Billy Corgan IS Smashing Pumpkins, he had complete creative control over everything they did and could hire and fire people at will.

Jimmy Chamberlain is the only member I have ever missed on an album, Adore sounded crap without him. This new album certainly doesn't miss James Iha or D'arcy Wretsky.

 

[melancholymecha]

hey i have an SP question- I once saw on Mtv a b & w video from them that had some people wearing sort of a cross b/w goth & greek clothing- it was a really striking video & Id like to watch it again on Youtube. What was the name of the song?

BTW, has anyone downloaded the new Nine Inch Nails album "The Slip" yet?

I plan to or I might buy the cd, I cant decide yet. I downloaded the Discipline & EcoPlex singles & really like it...

 

[IJD GAF]

Huh. Adore is tied w/ Mellon Collie as my favorite album. Sure, Chamberlain was missed, but I think the overall feel of the album was outstanding. And just a really good example of a band going in a completely different direction than expected after an outstanding critically acclaimed album.

The whole thing feel's like a mother's day present to Corgan's recently deceased mother. Very touching, IMO.

 

[darthraidr]

Also, I think people who criticise them for only having 2 original members are a bit silly too. Billy Corgan IS Smashing Pumpkins, he had complete creative control over everything they did and could hire and fire people at will.

Jimmy Chamberlain is the only member I have ever missed on an album, Adore sounded crap without him. This new album certainly doesn't miss James Iha or D'arcy Wretsky.

I criticize them for only having 2 original members because, hey, the same 2 memebers were in Zwan. so this might as well be zwan... but zwan isnt as bankable as the pumpkins... for me, for it to be the pumpkins they'd need james back, the only pumpkin to have done all albums along with billy. jimmy is great, d'arcy is easily replacable (like melissa proved).

i think the more billy took control of the pumpkins, the more i disliked them. many of my favorite songs were written by billy and james. i imagine that before they were big, the other band mates had a bit more say in the music they.

 

[IJD GAF]

I'm not going to stress out about the philosophical dillema re: how many band members are required to call it "(the) Smashing Pumpkins"?

Regardless, Corgan is a musical genius who can write a good tune. Or a thousand. Even his solo album had its kickass moments.

 

[Pingfah]

Huh. Adore is tied w/ Mellon Collie as my favorite album. Sure, Chamberlain was missed, but I think the overall feel of the album was outstanding. And just a really good example of a band going in a completely different direction than expected after an outstanding critically acclaimed album.

I don't mean to say that it was a badly written album. Corgan IS a genius and he has not written a bad album, although Zwan and The Future Embrace are not as good as any Pumpkins album (including Adore) IMO. I mean that I did not like the way it sounded, particularly with regard to the synthed drums that appear on a number of tracks.

Corgan apparently wiped some of Matt Cameron's tracks and replaced them with a drum machine, which is a shame to me, because Cameron is one of my favourite drummers. Although it's hard to say for sure if this represented a loss to the album as I have not heard the tracks as they were originally.

I criticize them for only having 2 original members because, hey, the same 2 memebers were in Zwan. so this might as well be zwan... but zwan isnt as bankable as the pumpkins... for me, for it to be the pumpkins they'd need james back, the only pumpkin to have done all albums along with billy. jimmy is great, d'arcy is easily replacable (like melissa proved).

For the same reason I would not have cared if Corgan had released Zwan and The Future Embrace under the Pumpkins moniker. The other's had more impact in the past, but lets make no bones abut the fact that Smashing Pumpkins are Corgan's band and always were.

i think the more billy took control of the pumpkins, the more i disliked them. many of my favorite songs were written by billy and james. i imagine that before they were big, the other band mates had a bit more say in the music they.

They have changed, I think they are different but just as good now.

 

[darthraidr]

i'm not saying that corgan wasnt the leader... no doubt that he was, i just prefered the earlier work far more than the work after MCIS. many of my favorite songs were written by corgan and iha. i lost a great deal of respect for corgan after i had a run in with him. the other bandmates, awesome. corgan, not so much.