You're most unpopular Trek opinions

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

Well. That's me put in my place then. Better whip the old credit card out and beggar myself stocking up on the back catalogue cos silly ol' me got my opinions and my facts mixed up.

 

[ktanner3]

Ben Sisko is the best captain in any Trek series. Period. He dealt with being a god, preparing an entire planet for Federation admittance, an inter-quadrant war, keeping peace between Klingons/Romulans/Bajorans/Cardassians AND managed to raise a son.

Damn straight. Long live the Sisko. :thumbsup:

 

[1001001]

I have a few unpopular opinions, at least relative to this board:

I think Deep Space Nine is the worst of the 5 series.

I thought the Season 3 Xindi Arc on Enterprise was excellent.

I think Brannon Braga is a pretty talented writer.

 

[benny]

1001001 said:
I thought the Season 3 Xindi Arc on Enterprise was excellent.

On at least that account, we agree. Smallville, which debuted the same year as Enterprise, always had season arcs...a story to follow from premiere to finale. It still baffles me why Enterprise didn't do this. It might have kept some of the viewers it shed and still been on the air.

 

[Ro_Laren]

TOS is my least favorite Trek series!

 

[FordSVT]

ktanner3 said:
Don't be shy. We all have them. Folks on the Trek 11 board already know of one I have. Here's mine:

1.) Gene Rodenberry got too much credit for the success of Star Trek. Gene Coon,John D Black and many of the other writers came up with many of the concepts that became popular. He was the reason the first movie was so bland and boring and fought tooth and nail to change the other superior movies.

4.) The Next Generation has not aged well compared with the original show and DS9. It's characters are so P.C and snobbish that they're very hard to like those first few seasons.

These two complaints are undeniably linked. Post-Rodenberry TNG was better, plain and simple.

My unpopular opinion is that Voyager had some of the best characters of any of the Trek shows, even if many of the plots and episodes of the series were in fact crap. The Doctor and Tuvok are two of my favorite Trek characters ever. Much props to Tim Russ and Robert Picardo.

 

[LitmusDragon]

Four I can think of offhand:

1) My idea to include a Tamarian science or security officer if they ever do a series set after the events of TNG. Yes, the character would speak only in metaphor. Yes, I think this is a good (even great) idea
2) Deanna Troi is one of the most likable TNG characters
3) "The Inner Light" is over-rated (it works as pure drama, but the plot is ridiculous)
4) "The Thaw" "Masks" and "Move Along Home" are good episodes

 

[Orac Zen]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

I see I share several "unpopular" opinions with some other people. Cool. I'll restate the ones I agree with and add some extras:

1. Roddenberry was not a one-man band or the only creative force associated with TOS. He may have created the idea but people like Gene Coon and DC Fontana (to name just two) did at least as much to make it work as Roddenberry.

2. TOS is looked upon with rose-coloured glasses by some. It was and is a great show, but it's not some flawless masterpiece and the sequel series are not worthless crap by comparison.

3. TWoK is overrated. TSFS is underrated.

4. TNG holds up much better than it's given credit for. Further, a number of the criticisms directed at it are absurd.

5. Avery Brooks is, at best, a mediocre actor.

6. In TV terms, DS9 did nothing particularly innovative and is overrated. It's not a terrible show; it's simply not as good as it's made out to be.

7. There are several episodes across all Trek series that are much poorer than "Threshold".

8. Berman and Braga are not evil incarnate. Moore and Behr are not the second coming.

There are others, but that'll do for now.

Edit: Two more:

9. Voyager's characters - with the exception of Chakotay - are the most likeable in any Trek series.

10. All Trek relationships (with the exception of Paris / Torres) are pathetic beyond belief.

 

[ktanner3]

My unpopular opinion is that Voyager had some of the best characters of any of the Trek shows, even if many of the plots and episodes of the series were in fact crap. The Doctor and Tuvok are two of my favorite Trek characters ever. Much props to Tim Russ and Robert Picardo.

that reminds me of another:

Kate Mulgrew was the best actor/actress of all the captains.No disrespect to the sisko(who will always be my favorite captain) but Mulgrew was by far the best as far as acting range. Too bad she couldn't have had a better writing staff.

 

[bluedana]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

My unpopular opinions:

1. A Night in Sickbay is a funny episode.
2. Brooks' Sisko is more enjoyable to watch and more nuanced than Stewart's Picard.
3. TOS now seems painfully cheesy with isolated dots of really good writing.
4. The Temporal Cold War was a good idea that should have been fleshed out fully and resolved.
5. The minutia of who may or may not be up for consideration to play whatever hypothetical character in the next Trek film, if it ever gets made, is not interesting. At all.

 

[HLecter MD]

1. The masterpiece "The Cage" was a gazillion times better than the horribly-acted, dumbed-down "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

2. I don't see what's great about "Best of Both Worlds." It's a standard action episode with no profound ideas that provoke thought.

3. NEM was better than INS because it was a lot more ambitious. INS was nothing but lightweight, sappy fluff.

4. GEN is the worst of the ten movies because it's so lethargic, blandly directed and makes Data incredibly annoying.

5. I despised Cliff Eidelman's funereal TUC score because it didn't have a single rousing, adventurous moment in it. It sounded like it belonged in some brooding, serial killer movie.

6. The majority of alien races, especially from TNG onwards, are boringly terracentric. Betazoids, Bajorans, Baku, Trill, you get the idea.

7. ENT's bad acting and lack of a single memorable line of dialouge offended me a lot more than its canon violations.

8. TVH was a silly, stupid movie. The villain was a giant Tootsie roll in space. There was absolutely no sense of awe, wonder and mystery in it.

9. TMP is aging better than TWOK. Every one of its production values is better.

 

[captcalhoun]

ENT is actually quite decent all the way through and doesn't do as much to violate continuity as some TNG or even TOS episodes do.

the modern trek shows are all a bit crappy in their first seasons but all improve a lot by the fourth.

 

[tomalak301]

I had a few more to add to my list:

-There are much poorer episodes in the Trek universe than These Are the Voyages. I don't think the Valentine was the episode itself, but the final montage at the end with the "Space, The Final Frontier." If there is a way to end, what, 20 years of continuous trek on TV, this was the best way I would have thought. As for the episode itself, I liked it.

-I would rank Insurrection in my top half (Probably #5) in terms of ranking the movies from favorite to least favorite. It was silly, yes, but there are some classic scenes that unfairly get overlooked, like Geordi looking at the sunrise for the first time.

-While I like In the Pale Moonlight, it probably is the most overrated episode in Star Trek Lore.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Here are some of mine (a lot of them are DS9-related, simply because that show is so highly regarded around here):

- DS9 just wasn't that good overall. It gets its good reputation from a small handful of excellent episodes that were spread across the last four seasons, and nearly everything else was mediocre filler at best.

- Avery Brooks is a terrible actor, and Sisko was the worst captain.

- "In the Pale Moonlight" wasn't particularly well written, in fact, it was ridiculously predictable.

- The second part of "The Best of Both Worlds" was just awful, and pretty much ruined the excellent setup from the first part.

- Data isn't sentient, nor is The Doctor or Vic Fontaine, and none deserve any rights whatsoever. They're simply very cleverly programmed software.

- "Trials and Tribblations" was funny, but only in an eye-rolling kind of way. The whole episode was simply "look at this, we can have Sisko and Kirk in the same scene!" (Although it was still better than the dreadful "Flashback" tribute episode on Voyager.)

- The original Harlan Ellison version of "City on the Edge of Forever" was crap. The episode was saved by the rewrites by Roddenberry, Coon and others.

- Brannon Braga is underrated as a writer.

- David Gerrold and Harlan Ellison need to stop griping about how badly they were treated by the various folks on TOS and TNG. Both should thank their stars every day that their careers were boosted by a connection to Star Trek.

- Quark was never, ever funny, he was just annoying.

- Janeway was, overall, the most compelling captain.

- Replacing Kes with 7of9 was a good thing. The Kes character was just tiresome, and 7 at least provided some eye candy.

- Kirk was never the ladies man that popular culture has deemed him to be. By modern standards, he was practically a prude.

- JJ Abrams was an inspired choice to direct the new Trek movie.

 

[katie9918]

"All Good Things" is the most overrated episode in the history of Star Trek.

Data should have been killed off saving the ship in First Contact.

Wil Wheaton is f*cking awesome and his Nemesis scene shouldn't have been cut. Ditto with Steven Culp.

The last three seasons of TNG were the best and I think "Lower Decks" was the best of the season.

Whoever wrote "Generations" should have bent over backwards to include Spock and Bones in a meaningful way with a purpose. And there should have been a lot more time with the Enterprise-B crew.

Captain Harriman wasn't the worst captain ever.

None of TNG movies came close to touching the first six.

They should have stuck the final Enterprise montage at the end of Terra Prime and just left it the hell alone.

TNG never deserved the accolades it always got, not even in first run.

And could someone PLEASE edit this thread's title? In the immortal words of Ross Gellar: "Y-O-U-apostrophe-R-E is YOU ARE. Y-O-U-R is YOUR." I honestly don't mean to be rude and I'm truly sorry if I offend anyone, but GAH!

 

[sbk1234]

Nemesis wasn't a terrible film.

Star Trek V was pretty good.

Enterprise was a good show.

Dr. Crusher is damn annoying.

Chase Masterson doesn't do anything for me.

Jellico was right about everything.

 

[Spider]

All five shows had some brilliant episodes, no matter anyone’s overall opinion of any of them.

All Trek movies were no where close to being as good as the TV series. In fact, all of the movies were actually pretty bad if you compare them to the better individual episodes of the two series they were based on.

Masks rocks, I love that episode.

 

[unimatrix7]

Voyager's 'The Thaw' is the finest episode of Star Trek ever produced.

DS9 seasons 1-3 are better than 4-7. After season 3, DS9 became (with rare exception) sanitised and dull. The Dominion eventually became as toothless as the Borg were in Voyager, only significantly less interesting.

DS9's 'Final Chapter' in season 7 is home to some of the most boring hours of television ever produced, and is notable only for managing to destroy and/or humiliate four of the most interesting elements of DS9 lore: Kai Winn, Dukat, the Defiant, and Section 31.

Kate Mulgrew is the strongest actor in Trek history.

Avery Brooks is a fine actor when he's not yelling and screaming hysterically.

And yeah, I like Masks too

 

[Chicago 103]

1. "Far Beyond The Stars" is cliqued and manipulative.

2. "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" is my favorite movie.

3. Captain Janeway is my favorite character.

4. "All Good Things..." is overrated because its just a reset button episode that only affected Picard.

5. Sybok was an interesting character.

6. Voyager singlehandedly destroyed one Borg vessel, it didn't slice through the Collective.

 

[Mitty]

unimatrix7 said:
Voyager's 'The Thaw' is the finest episode of Star Trek ever produced.

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Avery Brooks is a fine actor when he's not yelling and screaming hysterically.

And yeah, I like Masks too

Ditto. I loved "The Thaw", I don't know why people dont' like it. And yep Masks was at least an original idea.

And Avery Brooks is great but his performance in "Far Beyond the Stars" was overacting at it's very worst.