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May I ask why? I'm just curious why you wouldn't want a new Star Trek series to be progressive
Social commentary is fine, using Star Trek to metaphorically engage in social observation of our own society, again fine.

However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.

I wouldn't mind there being a single social progressive character in the featured crew, as long as there was a reciprocal character around to oppose their viewpoint with their own. Give them both well reasoned positions, balance.
 
Social commentary is fine, using Star Trek to metaphorically engage in social observation of our own society, again fine.

No one would seriously argue against this point of view, but it is, essentially, a truism. As such, it offers little as a path to distinguish the show from hundreds of other shows that do the same thing.

However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.
Why inherently bad? Many things that have become accepted and in the mainstream began as a "social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with" and the arts (popular and fine) have been vehicles in the forefront of advocating for such causes. Why should Trek not be among them? Of course, the persuasiveness of the argument and the risks of trying to bring such ideas into the mainstream need to be weighed by the creative staff and the production company financing the endeavour. In and of itself, though, there is nothing wrong with making the attempt. Audiences are not owed something familiar and comfortable--they do, however, have the right to express their satisfaction (or lack thereof) by choosing to watch or not.

I wouldn't mind there being a single social progressive character in the featured crew, as long as there was a reciprocal character around to oppose their viewpoint with their own. Give them both well reasoned positions, balance.
Not all viewpoints have equally reasonable opposites. "Balance" should not be conflated with an obligation to provide "equivalency". Particularly as Trek is a private enterprise (pun intended ;) ), its creative staff are not required to give "equal time" to opposing points of view. Again, it is for viewers to decide whether they find a particular idea, point of view, etc. palatable. If the creators choose to give "equal time", that's fine. But only if it is, indeed, their choice--not something imposed upon them.
 
However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.

Right is right. Regardless how many people do or don't agree with it. I'm sure that blacks weren't welcome on TV by a huge percent of the US population, especially in the South, in the 1950's and 60's. Would it have been okay to nix Lieutenant Uhura from the show because of that?
 
Social commentary is fine, using Star Trek to metaphorically engage in social observation of our own society, again fine.

However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.

I wouldn't mind there being a single social progressive character in the featured crew, as long as there was a reciprocal character around to oppose their viewpoint with their own. Give them both well reasoned positions, balance.
Which fraction? Star Trek has often been seen as socially progressive. In 1966, a vocal, intelligent, independent black woman was on the bridge. Would you have felt, at the time, that it was unwise they chose not to include a member of the KKK?

Some viewpoints aren't worth representing as legitimate.
 
Social commentary is fine, using Star Trek to metaphorically engage in social observation of our own society, again fine.

However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.

I wouldn't mind there being a single social progressive character in the featured crew, as long as there was a reciprocal character around to oppose their viewpoint with their own. Give them both well reasoned positions, balance.
There are no "well reasoned positions" for opposing LGBT civil rights now, just ones that ultimately fall back on "Because God told me so" which is itself just a convenient excuse for "Because I find gays icky". Which well reasoned positions do you imagine would suddenly appear in the next 200 to 300 years? Homophobes are a rapidly dying breed as we speak, so inserting one into a far future setting would immediately date the show and render it anachronistic and offensive to audiences.

The idea that simply acknowledging the existence of a group constitutes an "agenda" that must have an opposing counterpoint present is ridiculous. What a terrifying world you must live in.

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Why inherently bad?

Star trek is about one purpose and one purpose alone.

TV executives making money.

They can be inclusive up to a point. Until its interferes with buisness.


Id rather see this star trek be conservative , play it safe and be a resoundingly success than see it push boundaries too far and crash and burn.


Startrek may be set in a uptopian future but we aren't.
 
Social commentary is fine, using Star Trek to metaphorically engage in social observation of our own society, again fine.

However using Star Trek to advance a social agenda that only a fraction of the population agrees with is a bad idea.

I wouldn't mind there being a single social progressive character in the featured crew, as long as there was a reciprocal character around to oppose their viewpoint with their own. Give them both well reasoned positions, balance.

So an episode about scat is out?
 
Star trek is about one purpose and one purpose alone.

TV executives making money.

They can be inclusive up to a point. Until its interferes with buisness.


Id rather see this star trek be conservative , play it safe and be a resoundingly success than see it push boundaries too far and crash and burn.


Startrek may be set in a uptopian future but we aren't.
I would not watch a new Star Trek that is conservative, and plays it safe. That's how we got the worst episodes of TNG, and DS9, as well as the paint-by-numbers Enterprise series.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
 
I would not watch a new Star Trek that is conservative, and plays it safe. That's how we got the worst episodes of TNG, and DS9, as well as the paint-by-numbers Enterprise series.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Thats because they played it too safe and conservative.

There is a very fine balance TV executives have to find that will appeal to all markets.
 
Star Trek has often been seen as socially progressive
If you meant social advancement not really, Star Trek is usually seen as lagging behind the rest of society in terms of social change. The exclusion of a gay main character until recently would be one example.

What a terrifying world you must live in.
No, it's a world of openness, light and transparency. A world of free discussion of ideas and concepts.

Unfortunately this is the antithesis of progressive thought, where open debate must be shut down. If necessary through the use of derisive terms (homophobic, xenophobic, racist), these terms are used as a method of control. We see this especial today on some university campuses.

This is (one of) the aspects of progressivism that I would prefer was absent from Star Trek. When I spoke of having someone who was the oppose of a progressive character, it would be someone who wanted discussion/debate on a subject that the progressive character didn't personally want openly aired. Only the progressive's viewpoint should prevail, no one else should speak.

One of my favorite parts of Star Trek is where the characters don't agree with each other, and they talk things through. The characters have their own minds.

I, Borg is a great example, Picard starts out with a certain mind set, but over the course of the episode his position is changed by the views of others. Picard could have employ the progressive tactic and shut down any other way of looking at the situation other than his own, but he didn't.

There are some other aspects of progressivism that could be openly discussed/debated on the show, centralization of control at the top of a power structure, dependence upon government for the basics of life, being a couple of examples
 
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Star trek is about one purpose and one purpose alone.

TV executives making money.

They can be inclusive up to a point. Until its interferes with buisness.


Id rather see this star trek be conservative , play it safe and be a resoundingly success than see it push boundaries too far and crash and burn.


Startrek may be set in a uptopian future but we aren't.
I sincerely hope it does NOT "play it safe". I rarely ever want my entertainment to "play it safe". I want to have my expectations challenged and be pleasantly surprised whenever possible. I may still be entertained by "safe", depending upon execution, but it's always a little bit disappointing.
 
I sincerely hope it does NOT "play it safe". I rarely ever want my entertainment to "play it safe". I want to have my expectations challenged and be pleasantly surprised whenever possible. I may still be entertained by "safe", depending upon execution, but it's always a little bit disappointing.

Well its a balance the producers have to find.


Anyway adding a gay character is hardly controversial or progressive.
Its been done in countless other TV programmes to startrek will hardly be a first these days. So no doubt the next series will have one.
 
There are no "well reasoned positions" for opposing LGBT civil rights now, just ones that ultimately fall back on "Because God told me so" which is itself just a convenient excuse for "Because I find gays icky". Which well reasoned positions do you imagine would suddenly appear in the next 200 to 300 years? Homophobes are a rapidly dying breed as we speak, so inserting one into a far future setting would immediately date the show and render it anachronistic and offensive to audiences.

The idea that simply acknowledging the existence of a group constitutes an "agenda" that must have an opposing counterpoint present is ridiculous. What a terrifying world you must live in.

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Hear,hear! I approve wholeheartedly!
 
Just thought of something else I want from the new series: continuity!

Keep track of the little things like: how many crew are onboard, what shuttles they have available, etc. All the little niggly things that people are often looking into and commenting on. I know it may seem petty, but it's the simple little things that sell the universe (to me at least).
 
TV programmes are there to make money and they can only do that if they draw in the audiences.

And they sometimes do that when they challenge the norm of what is going on. For all of TNG's faults, the limits on interpersonal crew conflict made it different from what was on TV at the time. I'm hoping Discovery is different from what is on TV now by not leaning on the tired anti-hero format.

Acknowledging that gay people exist hasn't hurt other shows currently, so there's no reason for Star Trek to avoid them. I watched an episode of Mr. Robot the other day and two men kissed. Guess what? I didn't turn gay. It was just two characters showing affection for one another. Life goes on.
 
I think the fact that a "black woman may be the lead actor on Discovery" is an actual headline across the internet tells us all we need to know about Trek's progressiveness over the life of the franchise.
 
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