Your top 10 favorite Voyager episodes?

[Lynx]

I don't think Fury is universally hated. Threshold takes that spot. I think there are select few who hate Fury.

Honestly, it's the other way around.
During all those years I've encountered very few people who likes that episode. Most of them have been rabid Kes-haters.

On the other hand, I've encountered a lot of people who have no feelings at all for Kes and even those who strongly dislike the character who despite that hates that episode because it was so insulting ,badly written and because it's destroying a main character for no reason at all.

 

[Sophie74656]

Honestly, it's the other way around.
During all those years I've encountered very few people who likes that episode. Most of them have been rabid Kes-haters.

On the other hand, I've encountered a lot of people who have no feelings at all for Kes and even those who strongly dislike the character who despite that hates that episode because it was so insulting ,badly written and because it's destroying a main character for no reason at all.

I've seen plenty of people who like it, having nothing to do with "hating" Kes.

 

[catshadowsi8]

My problem with Fury is it is out of character. The explanation for it all is 'things went badly so it's their fault for taking me on Voyager'. Uh... what? Kes loved exploring the galaxy. What happened to being like Janeway and peeking into every nook and cranny? Every anomaly she was fascinated with. And the whole alzheimers 'Oh I forgot' is garbage. She remembers all the bad stuff but not the good. I'm lost.

Then there's the whole desolving into light at the end of The Gift. Couldn't maintain your cohesiveness, right? No explanation why she is corporeal now, is there?

I guess we are suppose to forget all that just like Kes, no? Geesh...

 

[Sophie74656]

My problem with Fury is it is out of character. The explanation for it all is 'things went badly so it's their fault for taking me on Voyager'. Uh... what? Kes loved exploring the galaxy. What happened to being like Janeway and peeking into every nook and cranny? Every anomaly she was fascinated with. And the whole alzheimers 'Oh I forgot' is garbage. She remembers all the bad stuff but not the good. I'm lost.

Then there's the whole desolving into light at the end of The Gift. Couldn't maintain your cohesiveness, right? No explanation why she is corporeal now, is there?

I guess we are suppose to forget all that just like Kes, no? Geesh...

We've talked about this so many timed her already but.... the simplest explanation is that her menory was failing just as we saw in Before and After. Her mrmories ofnjer time om Voyager and how she got there were all messed up. To me that makes enough sense to enjoy the episode.

 

[catshadowsi8]

But in Before and After her memories were affected byTemporal issues, not old age. Since she was not there for Year of Hell, the show can't use it to explain her memory loss.

I'm just replying to an earlier poster's comments. Sorry if this has been discussed before.

 

[Sophie74656]

But in Before and After her memories were affected byTemporal issues, not old age. Since she was not there for Year of Hell, the show can't use it to explain her memory loss.

I'm just replying to an earlier poster's comments. Sorry if this has been discussed before.

They said that it was a normal part of her aging, the Morelogium (sp?)

 

[Refuge]

My problem with Fury is it is out of character. The explanation for it all is 'things went badly so it's their fault for taking me on Voyager'. Uh... what? Kes loved exploring the galaxy. What happened to being like Janeway and peeking into every nook and cranny? Every anomaly she was fascinated with. And the whole alzheimers 'Oh I forgot' is garbage. She remembers all the bad stuff but not the good. I'm lost.

Then there's the whole desolving into light at the end of The Gift. Couldn't maintain your cohesiveness, right? No explanation why she is corporeal now, is there?

I guess we are suppose to forget all that just like Kes, no? Geesh...

It's such a small point but the hair! So we see Kes with long hair leave and then she reverts to an older Kes but gets the same hair she had at some other time.

Very much out of character. Fury Kes was that miserable (and let's face it she knew she had to leave Voyager earlier and was willing. She gifted Voyager time off their journey),yet the returned Kes wanted to betray the whole crew to the Vidiians. Knowing what such a fate would be? It was pretty much a kind of sad scenario. And remember Kes was powerful!! Yet Janeway was able to beat her?

I liked the opening birthday scene with Janeway and Tuvok in this episode though.

 

[catshadowsi8]

They said that it was a normal part of her aging, the Morelogium (sp?)

Since I didn't remember that I went back and looked.

On her second jaunt backwards the doctor is clearly puzzled why she suddenly has memory loss. A few moments later the doctor says to Captain Chakotay 'It's as if her memory was been wiped clean'. Chakotay asks 'Is it some form of senility?' Doctor replies, 'Maybe. I've never treated a nine year old Ocampan before.'

To me this implies her memory loss is new, not a pre existing condition before the first jump.

 

[Catarina]

One could argue if Kes has the power to rip bulkheads, she could rip off janeway's head. End of series so they probably shouldn't have gone there. :P I know, she was probably just batting her prey and letting the vidiians have her, or maybe she was internally struggling but meh, don't go there if you can't finish the job, writers. Not that I want to see that. I was just looking at it logically.

 

[Sophie74656]

Since I didn't remember that I went back and looked.

On her second jaunt backwards the doctor is clearly puzzled why she suddenly has memory loss. A few moments later the doctor says to Captain Chakotay 'It's as if her memory was been wiped clean'. Chakotay asks 'Is it some form of senility?' Doctor replies, 'Maybe. I've never treated a nine year old Ocampan before.'

To me this implies her memory loss is new, not a pre existing condition before the first jump.

I felt like it was implied to be normal. Based on these quotes

EMH: I've been expecting this.
LINNIS: The onset of morilogium.
EMH: She's lost more than ninety eight percent of her memory engrams.
KES: Morilogium?
LINNIS: The final phase of the Ocampan lifespan, mother.

Also

KES: I want to know what's going on here. Maybe the morilogium is causing my amnesia, but that doesn't explain how I seem to suddenly jump from Sickbay to my quarters, or how I remember being in a bio-temporal chamber.
EMH: Kes, it's possible the morilogium is causing you to experience delusions.

 

[catshadowsi8]

I felt like it was implied to be normal. Based on these quotes

EMH: I've been expecting this.
LINNIS: The onset of morilogium.
EMH: She's lost more than ninety eight percent of her memory engrams.
KES: Morilogium?
LINNIS: The final phase of the Ocampan lifespan, mother.

Also

KES: I want to know what's going on here. Maybe the morilogium is causing my amnesia, but that doesn't explain how I seem to suddenly jump from Sickbay to my quarters, or how I remember being in a bio-temporal chamber.
EMH: Kes, it's possible the morilogium is causing you to experience delusions.

Definitely some inconsistancies in the story. Why am I not surprised. Lol

 

[Lynx]

I've seen plenty of people who like it, having nothing to do with "hating" Kes.

As you probably know, I've been debating this issue for a long time now.

And I would estimate that of all I've debated this issue with, about 90% have been those who hate or strongly dislike the character, those who have been happy to see her destroyed.

It hasn't surprised me at all to see that those who like the s*'t episode from season 6 are the same people who put Kes at the bottom place of their "favorite character" list.

The remaining 10% have been people who liked the episode because of the explosions and the effects or someone who like to see "a good character going bad because it happened in this crap serie here or that crap serie there".

Honestly, that episode was the worst piece of s*** I've ever watched. I'm surprised that anyone actually can see anything positive with that crap.

It should be removed from all future DVD issues.If they do that, I promise to buy season 6 on DVD immediately.

 

[Sophie74656]

Y

As you probably know, I've been debating this issue for a long time now.

And I would estimate that of all I've debated this issue with, about 90% have been those who hate or strongly dislike the character, those who have been happy to see her destroyed.

It hasn't surprised me at all to see that those who like the s*'t episode from season 6 are the same people who put Kes at the bottom place of their "favorite character" list.

The remaining 10% have been people who liked the episode because of the explosions and the effects or someone who like to see "a good character going bad because it happened in this crap serie here or that crap serie there".

Honestly, that episode was the worst piece of s*** I've ever watched. I'm surprised that anyone actually can see anything positive with that crap.

It should be removed from all future DVD issues.If they do that, I promise to buy season 6 on DVD immediately.

Of course. Because you personally dislike an episode it should be removed from the dvds

 

[Sophie74656]

Definitely some inconsistancies in the story. Why am I not surprised. Lol

There don't appear to be inconsistencies to me. It makes sense to me.

 

[Lynx]

Y

Of course. Because you personally dislike an episode it should be removed from the dvds

Am I not allowed to have an opinion in this case?
And is my opinion regarded so low that it should be laughed at?

It's not only about personal dislike. It's about an episode which is absolutely crap, an episode which very few people find any value at all in. You might have missed it but there are a lot of Voyager fans out there who hates that episode, not only me.

As for inconsistences, the whole sh***y episode is one awful inconsistence.

 

[catshadowsi8]

There don't appear to be inconsistencies to me. It makes sense to me.

Well typically the future has more information than the past so the show is saying in the future they have no idea what is happening but the moment she drifts further into the past they suddenly know it is a natural occurence. Seems inconsistent to me but that's just me.

 

[catshadowsi8]

As for inconsistences, the whole sh***y episode is one awful inconsistence.

I feel for you Lynx. I see the same in Endgame.

 

[Lynx]

I feel for you Lynx. I see the same in Endgame.

"Endgame" is no 3 on my dislike list, after the s**t episode in season 6 and "The Gift".

The difference is that I really dislike "Endgame" which is a downright bad episode but I hate the s**t episode in season 6 and "The Gift".

 

[catshadowsi8]

I don't hate The Gift for three reasons. a)It was in character for Kes to not only leave the ship but gift the crew she loved so much a way out of harm's way and The Borg. b) I was deeply touched by Janeway's goodbye scene, which Mulgrew said was not acted but her true feelings. And c) the look of peace and wonderment on Kes' face as she ascended was beautiful.

Of course it got tossed in the trash compactor by Fury. Sigh...

 

[Sophie74656]

I don't hate The Gift for three reasons. a)It was in character for Kes to not only leave the ship but gift the crew she loved so much a way out of harm's way and The Borg. b) I was deeply touched by Janeway's goodbye scene, which Mulgrew said was not acted but her true feelings. And c) the look of peace and wonderment on Kes' face as she ascended was beautiful.

I completely agree. It was beautifully done.

Personally I enjoy every episode of Voyager. Even the "bad" ones are still quite enjoyable.