Your preferred Sequel Trilogy Episode
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TROS sucks, but I don't spend much time dwelling on its barely-cobbled-together narrative mess. It tried to fix what was both fixable and things which didn't need to be touched whatsoever, and ended up screwing up both.
Nobody is saying that, all they're saying is that the wish they hadn't changed Rey's origin between the two movies. It was pretty clear that what they said about Rey's parents was meant to be true, there was no indication that I can remember that Kylo Ren was lying, and then changed their minds when they were putting together The Rise of Skywalker.
Exactly. Whether it was explicitly stated in TLJ or not, I think the majority of people who saw the film would agree that prior to TRoS it was the intention that Rey not have significant family ties.
I think the majority of people who saw the film would also agree that if we were supposed to see the film we saw and have doubts that what we saw represented the reality of the matter then it was poorly executed.
On the other hand, TFA built up a "mystery" about Rey's history. I can see why someone might be unsatisfied with TLJ's supposed revelation. Does TROS go against TLJ, or simply put the TFA intent back on track after TLJ derailed it?
I mean, it's both and neither because the whole trilogy is a mess.
I mean, it's both and neither because the whole trilogy is a mess.
This pretty much sums it up for me as well. I really don't feel that passionate about it, but I do find it unfortunate and dissatisfying. IMHO the whole idea of Rey as just a regular person coming from nothing to become a Jedi without any connections or pedigree is inspiring and fascinating. One could have said that the Force "chose" her because she was worthy and not because she was a Skywalker or a Solo or a Palpatine, etc. Just like the little boy with the broom at the end of the film.
Then TRoS screwed it all up. I feel the ending of Rey claiming the name would have been just as meaningful (more so even) if she had always been nothing more than a scavenger. Yes, it may not have fit the story that made it to the screen, but that's a whole other conversation.
But what makes her any more "worthy" than trillions of other people?
I'd substitute "lucky" for "worthy", but otherwise I'm with Artoo on this.
It reminds me of the late-series argument that Buffy has with the Scooby Gang in which she's asserting that she's the leader because she literally is The Chosen One, only to have Xander or Anya (I forget which) point out that being the Slayer doesn't make Buffy 'better' than the rest of them; it just makes her luckier.
It reminds me of the late-series argument that Buffy has with the Scooby Gang in which she's asserting that she's the leader because she literally is The Chosen One, only to have Xander or Anya (I forget which) point out that being the Slayer doesn't make Buffy 'better' than the rest of them; it just makes her luckier.
Ah, so the Force chose her because she was... lucky?
"the Force helps those who are already helped by a high Luck stat"
So what exactly makes her so lucky in the first place? What would Ben Kenobi have to say about this?
Does she have luckychlorians?
Why was Captain America found worthy to pick up Mjolnir? Purity of heart? Indominable spirit? I dunno. Take your pick.
Language policing.
Do we know how the Force works well enough to know that it really 'chooses' anyone? Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't.
Isn't the point of being lucky that one just is lucky? Why does there have to be an underlying reason for it? And if there is an underlying reason for it, maybe it is that the Force is choosing people, but I think it's best if if that's not made clear. As a very wise God/computer once said: "When you do things right, people won't be sure that you did anything at all."
I'd like to think Ben Kenobi would think that the Force works in mysterious ways, and that if someone has the Force then what matters is not how they got it, but rather what they choose to do with it.
You're the one who said you would substitute lucky for worthy.
This has now become circular. The Force chose her because she was lucky, and maybe the underlying reason for her luck is that the Force is choosing people.
The Force chooses to place the right people, in the right place, at the right time. Why? Who knows. Does the Dark Side corrupt it? Certainly. Are those people also the correct people, or are the correct people placed to contain the corruption of the Force by the likes of the Sith? That is a mystery we may never fully know.
People like Erza Bridger. He has no lineage. Yet he is in the right place, at the right time.
People like Erza Bridger. He has no lineage. Yet he is in the right place, at the right time.
That tends to happen when you try to apply reasoning to an inscrutable Force.
'Force exceptionalism' is not a concept that has ever existed in Star Wars, which is why the entire line of objection to her being a second-generation natural-born clone of Palpatine doesn't hold much water.
And he never took down Palpatine either.
This sounds like something out of Monty Python.
He foiled Palpatine's plans. Then left the Galaxy. We don't know his fate yet, as Ahsoka season 2 is still coming.
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