You know what really irks me about "Insurrection"?

[Armored Saint]

In case of Worf, we can impute that to Klingon biological characteristics. Some species may react more quickly than others. It would explain why Worf had this acne crisis in his thirties and Picard remained bald. But, it doesn't explain for Geordi. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I'm wrong saying that blindness from birth is a bigger medical deal than cataracts and hormonal changes.

 

[SeerSGB]

In case of Worf, we can impute that to Klingon biological characteristics. Some species may react more quickly than others. It would explain why Worf had this acne crisis in his thirties and Picard remained bald. But, it doesn't explain for Geordi. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I'm wrong saying that blindness from birth is a bigger medical deal than cataracts and hormonal changes.

IRC, Geordi was blind from birth, not by accident or illness. So his eye repairing themselves should have been a big fucking deal; especially to Dr. Crusher.

 

[T'Girl]

and Picard remained bald

I wonder if Picard had been there a bit longer if stubble would have arrived, follow in time by normal growth of hair?

A friend of mine shaves his head and only need to do so twice a week to remain "clean."

Picard is in the brier patch what, three or four days? Maybe his hair follicles were working again, we just didn't get a chance to see it.

 

[Armored Saint]

It would be the logical explanaition, but Geordi's eyes....I don't think we can treat this can of blindness with minoxidil, huhuhu.

 

[T'Girl]

The EMH was able to replace one of Seven's eyes when he largely "de-Borg'ed" her. I don't think LaForge's blindness wasin his eye's (although they were milky) but rather the birth defect that resulted in his blindness was in his brain structure. A abnormality there.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

0... but after seeing how trust fund brats like Paris Hilton carry on with their parent's money, I now understand why he did it.

While a common believe that I myself embraced for years, after reading a write up on her by Fortune Magazine I no longer believe in. Yes she does play a dizzy blonde in public, however behind the scenes Paris Hilton is a sharp business woman who has taken her trust fund and increased it enormously.

She learn well from her family while growing up.

^Not only that, but the only trust fund kids we ever hear about are the bad ones. The good ones fly under the radar.

Not that I'm speaking from experience. My big legacy will be my parents' furniture.

Believe you me, there are still the ones out there that I mentioned, in particular trustafarians.

 

[Armored Saint]

I've just rewatched the movie on Netflix and finally, Admiral I-almost-died-like-in-James-Bond said it would take 10 years to Son'a to rejuvenate.....in fact it remains bullshit. At this stage, they would have hardly able to play bingo. And of course....GEORDI'S EYES.

Oh, and I didn't catch that Ba'ku patriarch was named Sojef. What a poor brainstorm job!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I've just rewatched the movie on Netflix and finally, Admiral I-almost-died-like-in-James-Bond

Poor Anthony Zerbe. Gets blown up like a balloon in Licence to Kill, stretched to death here. Dude can't catch a break!

Oh, and I didn't catch that Ba'ku patriarch was named Sojef. What a poor brainstorm job!

I'm not following.

 

[Armored Saint]

I've just rewatched the movie on Netflix and finally, Admiral I-almost-died-like-in-James-Bond

Poor Anthony Zerbe. Gets blown up like a balloon in Licence to Kill, stretched to death here. Dude can't catch a break!

Did he die in Matrix III? I hated so much this movie that I've never rewatched it.

Oh, and I didn't catch that Ba'ku patriarch was name Sojef. What a poor brainstorm job!

I'm not following.

- Hey guys, we need a name for the father figure!
- Ivan??
- No it's gonna already be a visual rip-off of Safety Dance's video clip, there's no more place for references to Men Without Hats.
- Fuck you Frakes! The real name of the bad guy is for your whole career, because it's totally rotting. And his alias, Ruffles, because eating chips is your only talent. I wouldn't even let you directing a Thunderbirds episode.
- Come on gentlemen, we need more decorum.
- ...
- Hey, guys, maybe we could name this character Joseph. It's the name of a famous carpenter and father...
- GREAT! Judeo-Christian names for aliens!
- Ok, we will be more subtle. Phojesh, Phojef.....

 

[DonIago]

He didn't die in the Matrix films.

While the imagined dialogue is mildly entertaining, I think that's a bit of a stretch.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ And I still don't get it.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

\Picard makes a bad situation worse. We're told the Federation backs this, Dougherty makes it clear Picard is free to leave and report whatever he wants, it probably won't change anything or it'll be to late cause of the time table they're own. Ruafo didn't care beyond Picard might cause a debate in the senate...oops council; he was cool with letting Picard report till it looked like it might fuck up his time table or might cause someone in power to change their minds.

So Picard encouraging debate in his supposedly democratic society is a bad thing?

If that was what he had done, no it isn't. He should have gathered up Data, ran out of the patch, made his report, and then flown back to stall things.

What he did do was force Ruafo's hand, piss him off, and speed and escalate the matter and then decided to "slow things down".

If I was doing things in a "better" order:

* Picard "saves" Data. Leaves the patch.
* Makes his report, gets some BS about it being under review or the Federation is aware of the matter and will update him.
* Picard takes the yacht back to the planet, sneaks past he S'ona.
* Riker stays on station to wait for an answer.
* Incredible journey to nowhere.
* Riker gets orders to have the S'ona and Dougherty halt the operation till the Council can review the new information.
* Dougherty obeys orders, gets killed, Big space battle as Riker tries to stop the S'ona.
* Pretty as is from there.

Actually...cut the S'ona out all together.

Have the Enterprise crew being the ones doing the observation. Starfleet gets the news of the miracle rings, decision made to harvest the planet. Warp in Dougherty with his flagship and a couple of more smaller ships); same ground "battle" but Federation on Federation, Space battle Federation on Federation.

And have said Federation fleet be a Section 31 fleet, and this be a Section 31 operation from the very beginning...but with the added kicker of justice not being done as the Federation can't (won't) really be able to find Section 31 or what it did, making the victory an uncertain one as the Ba'ku still won't be safe.

 

[BillJ]

What is everyone's fascination with Section 31? Can't we do a "morally gray" story without them being involved? I find stories more interesting when people have an honest disagreement over what's right and wrong.

 

[DonIago]

I enjoy a good S31 story ("Inquisition", "Inter Arma...") but I don't think their presence would improve the plot of INS. It seems more like an attempt to whitewash the story by shifting the blame to an evil organization rather than the IMO more interesting idea that the Federation is more willing to make moral sacrifices under desperate circumstances.

 

[Hober Mallow]

What is everyone's fascination with Section 31? Can't we do a "morally gray" story without them being involved? I find stories more interesting when people have an honest disagreement over what's right and wrong.

Because continuity porn.

 

[bullethead]

What is everyone's fascination with Section 31? Can't we do a "morally gray" story without them being involved? I find stories more interesting when people have an honest disagreement over what's right and wrong.

Going by the show, they're the only group of people in the Federation that's consistently pragmatic, utilitarian, and equipped with foresight. Lots of people think they're evil because they don't buy into the Roddenberry ideal universe/philosophy, but that makes them look reasonable to other people.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Section 31 is evil because they don't have any oversight or accountability. They literally do whatever they want to do, whenever they want, for whatever reason they want. They don't answer to anyone - not even the president. THAT's what makes them evil.

 

[Khan444]

I don't see Section 31 as being evil. They're more ruthlessly pragmatic and morally ambiguous.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

that the Federation is more willing to make moral sacrifices under desperate circumstances.

I'm still not sold on the Federation's desperate circumstances in this movie.

We don't know when the movie takes place so it could be near the end of the Dominion War when the Federation was winning or even after the war so a fountain of youth wouldn't be some uber necessary thing.

And even if the war was still going on I fail to see how the particles will help since the only possible medical benefits listed where lengthen life spans and curing the blind both of which they already have and both of which aren't really a game changer in a war especially one against mass produced clones.

And even in universe it's not really impressive for a group that once developed the technology to practically be god on there own.

I don't see Section 31 as being evil. They're more ruthlessly pragmatic and morally ambiguous.

And are a rogue criminal organization and basically terrorists.

 

[DonIago]

If you don't believe the Federation's operating under a sense of desperation at the time, then it would seem the Federation government is even more prone to making moral sacrifices. At least if the Dominion War's running hot and heavy at the time we can say, "Well, they were desperate." If that's not the case then that excuse, as you noted, flies out the window (at least to a degree, since doubtless post-war there are still people suffering from the war's effects).