X-Men Origins: Wolverine workprint leaked - Not April Fools
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Oh I wouldn't be surprised if the showed a brief shot implying that Wade is still around, frankly not knowing who Deadpool is (Stopped reading X-Men before that time frame), just to leave a door open if there is interest.
But even not carrying about changes to this character I didn't give a crap about the fight, there was no attachment with it at all. If I wanted to watch a fight with another character with superior adamantium weapons I would watch X2. Which used a character without real development and one we aren't invested in for one of the many fight scenes of the movie. Here its the primary event and again its basically a rehash (done worse).
But even not carrying about changes to this character I didn't give a crap about the fight, there was no attachment with it at all. If I wanted to watch a fight with another character with superior adamantium weapons I would watch X2. Which used a character without real development and one we aren't invested in for one of the many fight scenes of the movie. Here its the primary event and again its basically a rehash (done worse).
I won't be checking out the workprint, but then again I didn't want to see this thing in the first place. If the leaked copy's still kicking around after the DVD hits the street I might rent it and watch the leak afterward for comparison's sake.
The most distressing thing I've read so far regarding this story is this post by Harry over at AICN. Of all the things to get outraged about, he's going after some columnist over at FOX News who watched the leak and gave it a good review. This troubles Harry of course because... why? I'm not really sure. Dude did what AICN's been doing for a decade now.
Okay, so it's cool if they want to post an opinion piece that I disagree with. What's disgusting is the vitriol with which they're going after the guy's job. This whole fiasco's going on and all they can focus on is getting some guy unconnected with the leak shit-canned. Wading pretty deep into asshole territory there, Harry.
I still read AICN as a curiosity these days but it's hardly the place to go for "cool news" any more.
The most distressing thing I've read so far regarding this story is this post by Harry over at AICN. Of all the things to get outraged about, he's going after some columnist over at FOX News who watched the leak and gave it a good review. This troubles Harry of course because... why? I'm not really sure. Dude did what AICN's been doing for a decade now.
Okay, so it's cool if they want to post an opinion piece that I disagree with. What's disgusting is the vitriol with which they're going after the guy's job. This whole fiasco's going on and all they can focus on is getting some guy unconnected with the leak shit-canned. Wading pretty deep into asshole territory there, Harry.
I still read AICN as a curiosity these days but it's hardly the place to go for "cool news" any more.
^^ Harry's mad that some employee working on the movie didn't secretly esconse the reporter to some shady hotel room to show him the copy. After all you need to maintain an air of theatre about such things.
She's barely in it for a couple of minutes at the end and only has a couple of brief lines.
Still too much of Mind Rape Barbie for my tastes though. I was hoping Gambit and Deadpool would balance out Teh Suck that is Logan and Emma. Even just a little bit of them being awesome would be enough to do it. While this appears to be the case with Gambit more or less, this cannot be said of poor Wade.
Deadpool is my favorite comic book character ever. He was created as a parody of Deathstroke The Terminator aka Slade from Teen Titans(Wade Wilson = Slade Wilson. Get it?) but he's just so hilarious that he's become a huge fan favorite over the years. He's like if you took Spider-Man and made him evil and batshit crazy. He's basically a parody of violent, morally questionable, edgy, 90's-esque anti-hero's. He was created to take the piss out of Wolverine and everything he ushered in. What makes him different from them is that he knows hes a comic book character and, as such, acts in a completely farcical and satirical manner. The storyline in which he uses a shrink ray on Rhino and turns him into a hood orniment is considered to be a modern classic. What was even funnier was when Rhino came back with his own shrink ray looking for revenge.
"Hey I was thinking about setting up my own Super Hero porn site. Nothing bad. Just nice, tasteful pics of Sue Richards completely naked. But only while she's visible. Cuz' otherwise, you know, DUH."
"Hey look it's my two favorite X-Men: Siryn and Cannonballs."
"That's CANNONBALL."
"Oh..really? Man I just totally lost some respect for you just right now."
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While I freely admit that Harry is a hypocrite over not talking about the workprint (since he and other reviewers on his site have worked off of illegal source material, though more in the past then the last couple years).
There attitude towards this specific broadcast is that the reviewer (an person employed by Fox), also broke the law and actually encourages others to freely do so. If Fox is going to prosecute individuals for releasing this and for the initial posting (very likely), then shouldn't they also prosecute this person. At the very least no longer employee him?
Thrall
My mine two reasons for no specific interest in Deadpool is that I with almost no exception loathe the characters created in this time frame, and I hated the art from the time of his creation.
I know it isn't logical to hold that against future uses of these characters, it is still something I have a hard time stomaching. As I feel Marvel (as a company) have destroyed almost everything I actually loved about their universe (as opposed to DC universe).
My mine two reasons for no specific interest in Deadpool is that I with almost no exception loathe the characters created in this time frame, and I hated the art from the time of his creation.
I know it isn't logical to hold that against future uses of these characters, it is still something I have a hard time stomaching. As I feel Marvel (as a company) have destroyed almost everything I actually loved about their universe (as opposed to DC universe).
I was tweeking a coulpe hours ago reading the latest issue of Deadpool. It was hilarious! It's better than how i have sex, which I am sure if inferior to how everyone one else has sex since the hype surrounding sex is mortifying.
Ryan reynolds was tapped to play Deadpool in a Deadpool Movie YEARS ago, but it all fell through, and did you see Blade Three? Oh. No one did. Just me. But His hanibla King was totally what one should expect from deadpool, also known as the mec with a mouth.
How the FUCK exactly was the guy in this movie the merc with a mouth? Even before they took his mouth away, I wouldn't say that he was really overly jokoing around with a slew of ocnstant bad... Alan alda in M*A*S*H*, in the episoide he didn't direct himself near the end, that's Deadpool, if you'd made himi a contract killer...
Syren and Deadpool had a thing going on, well at least until she found out that he was into her because he was hot, and she got all uppity until he took his mask off to reveal a swell of cancer tumours and she vomited on him and decided that how she was into him wasn't worth putting up with that face for...
Shallow thy name is Syren.
Ryan reynolds was tapped to play Deadpool in a Deadpool Movie YEARS ago, but it all fell through, and did you see Blade Three? Oh. No one did. Just me. But His hanibla King was totally what one should expect from deadpool, also known as the mec with a mouth.
How the FUCK exactly was the guy in this movie the merc with a mouth? Even before they took his mouth away, I wouldn't say that he was really overly jokoing around with a slew of ocnstant bad... Alan alda in M*A*S*H*, in the episoide he didn't direct himself near the end, that's Deadpool, if you'd made himi a contract killer...
Syren and Deadpool had a thing going on, well at least until she found out that he was into her because he was hot, and she got all uppity until he took his mask off to reveal a swell of cancer tumours and she vomited on him and decided that how she was into him wasn't worth putting up with that face for...
Shallow thy name is Syren.
That was actually less sucky than I imagined. I will rent.
I actually like Emma, but I don't think the 'OMG ______!' type cameos are a good idea, at least for this movie.
Exactly why I love the character, Thrall, and brilliantly put.
It looks like they've kind of raped him of what makes him awesome despite him outwardly appearing as t3h aw3s0m3 - the wise-cracking self awareness, in the process basically turning him into a serious version of his character, which I'm pretty sure I won't be able to enjoy. Which is t3h suck.
Haven't seen it but two things from the trailer and commercials annoy me...
1) Wolverine agreeing to become Weapon X. WTF? Wolverine never agreed to become Weapon X. He was turned into it against his will. That's a major facet of his backstory. He has absolutely no gripe with the government if he agreed to have the skeleton put in.
2) Emma Frost put in. Great character but if you want the true Emma Frost experience, you have to introduce her as a villain (with her original power) and then make her a good guy.
3) Obviously, the studios wouldn't do it and I understand. But if you really wanted to capture the spirt of Wolverine, this would be an R-rated movie.
1) Wolverine agreeing to become Weapon X. WTF? Wolverine never agreed to become Weapon X. He was turned into it against his will. That's a major facet of his backstory. He has absolutely no gripe with the government if he agreed to have the skeleton put in.
2) Emma Frost put in. Great character but if you want the true Emma Frost experience, you have to introduce her as a villain (with her original power) and then make her a good guy.
3) Obviously, the studios wouldn't do it and I understand. But if you really wanted to capture the spirt of Wolverine, this would be an R-rated movie.
I absolutely agree and completely understand.
It's a mediocre action flick. I'm sure it'll be impressive in the SFX department when finished, and it isn't terrible, but it does have obvious issues.
The one thing that kept it from being great, to me, was the pacing. They were just trying to cram so much backstory into one movie that it all went by too fast. Worse, I think, is that the stuff that needed to have some serious time dedicated to it was brushed over, while the parts that didn't really need any major explanation were focused on.
The worst, I think, is how they glossed over Weapon X's brainwashing of Wolverine, particularly in a way that contradicts established movie canon. Wolverine was brainwashed using powerful means, turning his mind into a maze of falsehood and psychic landmines that even Xavier is unable to navigate. Yet this makes it a 3 second plot device weapon that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense.
They needed better focus, with fewer cameos and more time dedicated to the core story.
The one thing that kept it from being great, to me, was the pacing. They were just trying to cram so much backstory into one movie that it all went by too fast. Worse, I think, is that the stuff that needed to have some serious time dedicated to it was brushed over, while the parts that didn't really need any major explanation were focused on.
The worst, I think, is how they glossed over Weapon X's brainwashing of Wolverine, particularly in a way that contradicts established movie canon. Wolverine was brainwashed using powerful means, turning his mind into a maze of falsehood and psychic landmines that even Xavier is unable to navigate. Yet this makes it a 3 second plot device weapon that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense.
They needed better focus, with fewer cameos and more time dedicated to the core story.
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So, is it safe to say that the movie franchise that Singer ushered in is dead in the water and that it's time to restart the X-Men movies properly with Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Beast (sans the blue fur), and Angel?
I refused to DL the workprint.. I just don't download films anymore.
However, I found a straming copy, so Iwatched that!
Guess what, it was no masterpiece, but I actually liked it. Sure there were many parts I loathed, and hated. But I think I liked what was important. I liked the film better than any SpiderMan flick (yes even the over-rated part 2) and I think where the movie succeeds is Jackman. He always found the right tone to play the character, the sort of sensitive side. He first showed it in the first X-Men with his unusual yet believeable bond with Rogue.
Here, I guess tha tbond came with the brief scene with the farmer and the farmer's wife. When he said to them that the word decent was a word he wasn't used to, I really latched onto that moment. Maybe they made the farmer a bit too nice, but I'm glad that character was there, because it brought the real human out. They never said what happened to the farmer's son.
Early on, when Wolvie joined the other mutants I was really confused by the way the scenes in that building played out, and the adamantium rock search felt tossed in. The Deadpool fight at the end felt tacked on. But despite all of this, it seemed the character and his feelings were so important, so that even when he was fighting, you cared about him, and it wasn't just a ool or uncool fight.
I didn't hate it. As for condensing and changing Wolvie's history, well that's called screenplay writing. You have to do that, otherwise you end up with a mess that's more unforgiveable (Watchmen).
However, I found a straming copy, so Iwatched that!
Guess what, it was no masterpiece, but I actually liked it. Sure there were many parts I loathed, and hated. But I think I liked what was important. I liked the film better than any SpiderMan flick (yes even the over-rated part 2) and I think where the movie succeeds is Jackman. He always found the right tone to play the character, the sort of sensitive side. He first showed it in the first X-Men with his unusual yet believeable bond with Rogue.
Here, I guess tha tbond came with the brief scene with the farmer and the farmer's wife. When he said to them that the word decent was a word he wasn't used to, I really latched onto that moment. Maybe they made the farmer a bit too nice, but I'm glad that character was there, because it brought the real human out. They never said what happened to the farmer's son.
Early on, when Wolvie joined the other mutants I was really confused by the way the scenes in that building played out, and the adamantium rock search felt tossed in. The Deadpool fight at the end felt tacked on. But despite all of this, it seemed the character and his feelings were so important, so that even when he was fighting, you cared about him, and it wasn't just a ool or uncool fight.
I didn't hate it. As for condensing and changing Wolvie's history, well that's called screenplay writing. You have to do that, otherwise you end up with a mess that's more unforgiveable (Watchmen).
Emma's the hot blonde with mind powers. If they can't even get that right then the movie has problems.
It's not the powers they didn't right, but the costume that's going to anger fanboys.
My thoughts too. It wasn't a bad movie at all. They definitely rushed through some parts, but Wolverine was played awesome by Jackman as always. I had not planned to see it in the theaters anyway, but I'll rent it when it comes out. Most of the SFX were done, but I just used my imagination for those that weren't. Wasn't a big deal.