Wrath of Khan deleted scene audio clip.

[Ssosmcin]

Not sure how Carol forbidding Kirk from being in David's life makes him a "deadbeat dad."

Kirk: "I did what you wanted. I stayed away. Why didn't you tell him?"

Carol flat out stated she wanted David with her and not knowing his dad was Jim Kirk and risking losing him to a life of space adventure. It was her decision. We don't know anything about Kirk and Carol's relationship. It could have been a one-nighter. It's not uncommon for unwed mothers to want to raise the kid her own way with no involvement from a man she doesn't want to spend her life with. Her decision, her custody, and the dad's aren't deadbeats if they don't choose to be uninvolved.

And look what happened as soon as David went on a starship. He got shivved.

And it's not like today, where Kirk needs to send child support and whatnot.

Kirk was fine. He had a son and since he wasn't able to be part of David's life, he just went on with his own. Judging by his reaction, Kirk wished he could have been there.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, "deadbeat dad" seems to be using rather oddly here. Wouldn't Kirk knowing, and respecting Carol's wishes be the exact opposite of being a deadbeat? He appeared to be willing to participate but wasn't encouraged to do so because of Carol's response. So...how is that deadbeat?

Because he ignored the Mom's wishes? Usually that gets more problematic, not less.

 

[Tomalak]

Regardless of the terminology, Carol telling Jim to never get involved with David is pretty damning on him.

 

[Tallguy]

Regardless of the terminology, Carol telling Jim to never get involved with David is pretty damning on him.

On HIM?!?

 

[Grant]

Oddly, the change from the scripted and shot version to the reshoot version helped Carol's character.
In the original version Kirk had zero knowledge. So no blame could go his way whatsoever.

In the re-shoot version they both have blame. She for asking him to go away and him for going along with that for over 20+ years.
Why besmirch the character of someone we've liked for 15 years (at that point), to shift partial blame away from someone we just met and as turns out, we never see again (in that timeline).

 

[Ssosmcin]

A "deadbeat dad" is a father who neglects his parental responsibilities. That's different than a parent who was specifically requested to relinquish those responsibilities. Kirk was not a deadbeat dad. Pretty much period, full stop.

As far as Shatner not wanting David to beat him in a fight, that also makes logical sense. Kirk was an experienced fighter trained in combat as a Starfleet officer. He had a canonical history being being skilled in hand to hand combat. David was an intellectual, a scientist. While that doesn't negate the possibility of David knowing some martial arts or having gym-based skills, it was not established that he had any. He was a slender brainy type, devoted to knowledge rather than combat, different from his father - as per his mother's wishes. So Kirk getting his ass handed to him by David stretched credibility. Unless David totally got the drop on him and fought dirty.

 

[fireproof78]

Why besmirch the character of someone we've liked for 15 years (at that point), to shift partial blame away from someone we just met and as turns out, we never see again (in that timeline).

There is no besmirching and no blame.

Kirk honored a request. End of story.

 

[Kor]

Right, it would have been totally disrespectful on Kirk's part if he had tried to insinuate himself into David's life against Carol's request. Of course, David was in his twenties by the time of TWOK, so should Kirk have tried reaching out to David once he reached adulthood? Or perhaps contacted Carol as a gesture of respect to see if would be okay? I don't know.

Kor

 

[Shat Happens]

someone we just met and as turns out, we never see again (in that timeline).

And in the other universe she was also seen just once. She was naked. LOL Carol. Her theme is that song "somebody that we used to know"

 

[Nerys Myk]

And in the other universe she was also seen just once. She was naked. LOL Carol. Her theme is that song "somebody that we used to know"

Naked? You must have seen a different cut.

 

[Grant]

Honoring her request. As if she has all the rights. LOL. What drivel.

 

[fireproof78]

Honoring her request. As if she has all the rights. LOL. What drivel.

It's called respect.

 

[Tomalak]

What the hell did he do to make her give him such an extreme request?

 

[UssGlenn]

What the hell did he do to make her give him such an extreme request?

He refused ground assignments and wanted to do deep space exploration. Carol would have likely let him be involved if he consented to being grounded.

 

[Tallguy]

What the hell did he do to make her give him such an extreme request?

Clearly the same thing he did to Janice Lester. He needs to straighten up and fly right. He keeps provoking these extreme reactions.

 

[SidneyIsTheKiller]

What the hell did he do to make her give him such an extreme request?

I mentioned before (maybe a couple times) the interpretation that makes the most sense to me is that Kirk absolutely refused to give up persuing a life of a starship captain (that would have potentially kept him out of David's life for years at a time) - in fact, I'm thinking he broke up with her over this ("How can you ask that? Were we together? Were we going to be?") - and an appalled Carol subsequently told him to fuck right off.

 

[Shat Happens]

Carol subsequently told him to fuck right off.

It's interesting it seems David was the result of an unplanned pregnancy, at least on Jim's part

One wold think these things wouldn't happen anymore in the 23rd Century

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's interesting it seems David was the result of an unplanned pregnancy, at least on Jim's part

One wold think these things wouldn't happen anymore in the 23rd Century

They happen in the 24th too. No precaution is fool proof, especially when factoring in human error.

 

[fireproof78]

It's interesting it seems David was the result of an unplanned pregnancy, at least on Jim's part

One wold think these things wouldn't happen anymore in the 23rd Century

Nope. Humans are arrogant and stupid and we have spent the better part of a half century separating sex from reproduction. It happened to the Siskos and it will continue to happen because people assume it can't happen to them.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

What the hell did he do to make her give him such an extreme request?

I suspect we'll finally find out on SNW before too long.