Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cast?

[Gepard]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Men act so differently when there are no women in close proximity to them. Arguably they act better and more focused than otherwise.

Do you have any idea how backhandedly misogynistic this sounds? It's two skips away from blaming women for the Fall of Man, those bitches.

 

[Brolan]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Men act so differently when there are no women in close proximity to them. Arguably they act better and more focused than otherwise.

Do you have any idea how backhandedly misogynistic this sounds? It's two skips away from blaming women for the Fall of Man, those bitches.

Now, now. Calm down a bit. I know what Gep means. I see it all the time in my yearly fishing expedition up to Lake of the Woods. When the all-male group is fishing together everyone is cooperative. When you add one or more women to the mix a lot of the guys go into "chick mode" and spend more time chating with the ladies than doing anything constructive.

 

[Gepard]

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I see it all the time in my yearly fishing expedition up to Lake of the Woods. When the all-male group is fishing together everyone is cooperative. When you add one or more women to the mix a lot of the guys go into "chick mode" and spend more time chating with the ladies than doing anything constructive.

When you've got a bunch of "guys" in a relaxed ,non-professional environment, sure. (And I dispute any definition of "constructive" that doesn't include getting to know an attractive lady. ) But with a Trek series, we're talking about professionals in a quasi-military work environment. To claim that having women there would somehow compromise the menfolks ability to do their jobs--which is the only interpretation I can see regarding his quote in context--well, thats just sexist and insulting.

And I wouldn't personaly find all-male interaction in any off-duity scenes to have as many possibilities as a mixed gender crew. So, no, I still don't want an all-male cast on Star Trek.

 

[CaptainStoner]

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Man Trek: to boldy go where no woman has gone before.

This fall on the Dayton network.

 

[RAMA]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I like shows with all male casts. One of the reasons I think the first three years of Law & Order was so great.

Would Trek fans here watch a Trek series with an all male, all human main cast?

Why would we? Its not representative of Star Trek in any era, right from "The Cage" onward. Its not healthy for space travel or psychological well being and would also keep women viewers from identifying with most of the characters (with women around me all the time I know this is a fact). Aliens should actually make up a majority of the UFP, although this is hard to portray on TV! In short, its a silly, narrow-minded and impossible.

RAMA

 

[Michael]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

No, I wouldn't.

What a stupid idea.

 

[prometheuspan]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Now, now. Calm down a bit. I know what Gep means. I see it all the time in my yearly fishing expedition up to Lake of the Woods. When the all-male group is fishing together everyone is cooperative. When you add one or more women to the mix a lot of the guys go into "chick mode" and spend more time chating with the ladies than doing anything constructive.

constructive? Fishing trip? You don't see the paradox or the irony there?
not exactly your formal military environment, now is it?

I simply prefer the personal dynamics of all male groups. Like football teams or combat units.

sure, and you think that you have a good reason for it. But you don't, you are just haplessly sexist.

Men act so differently when there are no women in close proximity to them. Arguably they act better and more focused than otherwise.

At this point, your judgement is simply not worth the photons its printed on.

From a practical standpoint I read where a Paramount executive said once that "women will follow men to a tv show. men will not follow women to one".

Which only proves they are sexist and clueless.

And I did note a successful series that early on featured no female characters to speak of.

I can think of a number of successful movies with no female main characters as well.

yeah, but success is a measure of what exactly here? nothing. Esp in the trek universe. Which is supposed to represent diversity. As a side note, putting humans on a ship with only one gender has been shown to drive them
insane, which is why sailors get into all sorts of trouble raping, whoring, and etc.


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pretty much says it all. You subscribe to an anti female death cult which diabolizes yin, blames women for "THE FALL"
and which for nearly 2000 years treated women as chattel slaves.
Your opinion is worth less than nada.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

I couldn't think of anything more boring.

 

[Lindley]

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Now, now. Calm down a bit. I know what Gep means. I see it all the time in my yearly fishing expedition up to Lake of the Woods. When the all-male group is fishing together everyone is cooperative. When you add one or more women to the mix a lot of the guys go into "chick mode" and spend more time chating with the ladies than doing anything constructive.

constructive? Fishing trip? You don't see the paradox or the irony there?
not exactly your formal military environment, now is it?

I simply prefer the personal dynamics of all male groups. Like football teams or combat units.

sure, and you think that you have a good reason for it. But you don't, you are just haplessly sexist.



At this point, your judgement is simply not worth the photons its printed on.



Which only proves they are sexist and clueless.

And I did note a successful series that early on featured no female characters to speak of.

I can think of a number of successful movies with no female main characters as well.

yeah, but success is a measure of what exactly here? nothing. Esp in the trek universe. Which is supposed to represent diversity. As a side note, putting humans on a ship with only one gender has been shown to drive them
insane, which is why sailors get into all sorts of trouble raping, whoring, and etc.


__________________

Join a Church of Christ near you. The one true church described in the New Testament of the Bible.

God loves you and wants you to be saved. And so do I.

pretty much says it all. You subscribe to an anti female death cult which diabolizes yin, blames women for "THE FALL"
and which for nearly 2000 years treated women as chattel slaves.
Your opinion is worth less than nada.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules regarding flaming. As this is somewhat borderline I'll let it go, but dial it back.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

With an all male crew the writers won't be able to resist putting in some homoerotic undertones into some episodes. Heck just having all all male crew will put that in many viewers minds. That might disturb some who want an all male crew.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

All male? Not a chance.

 

[Admiral2]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Fine. So let's drop the "All-male" part. What's so wrong with having an all-human crew, given that your primary audience is made up exclusively of human beings? It's your target audience, so why not feature them as your primary characters? Given the nature of the show, there will be aliens depicted regardless. Why is it necessary to have any in the crew?

 

[RAMA]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Fine. So let's drop the "All-male" part. What's so wrong with having an all-human crew, given that your primary audience is made up exclusively of human beings? It's your target audience, so why not feature them as your primary characters? Given the nature of the show, there will be aliens depicted regardless. Why is it necessary to have any in the crew?

The problem is...there are 150 plus members of the UFP. If the population is 1.5 trillion, do you really think ONE planet would make up the majority of the crewman in Starfleet? It doesn't ring true. If you want a real life answer..the very fact that in 2014 (http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/SIMLite/sim_index.cfm) we will have an instrument in orbit capable of detecting 500 Earthlike planets in other solar systems would suggest to us the potential that human just might be a small minority of life in the galaxy.

RAMA

 

[DonIago]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Fine. So let's drop the "All-male" part. What's so wrong with having an all-human crew, given that your primary audience is made up exclusively of human beings? It's your target audience, so why not feature them as your primary characters? Given the nature of the show, there will be aliens depicted regardless. Why is it necessary to have any in the crew?

The target audience may all be human, but that doesn't mean that the target audience wants to watch the adventures of an all-human crew.

 

[jonnyskywatcher]

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Only if it's a cast of say, three guys. What would really be the point of having an all-male crew? If you want to see a specific sort of interaction you can have scenes with the guys interacting with each other, but to say you don't want any female crewmembers seems a little strange.

As for having an all human cast, I'd say that you can easily do that outside of Star Trek, why bother doing it in Star Trek?

 

[Admiral2]

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The problem is...there are 150 plus members of the UFP. If the population is 1.5 trillion, do you really think ONE planet would make up the majority of the crewman in Starfleet?

Uhh...did you ever watch TOS? That's pretty much how it worked, and Kirk and company managed just fine.

It doesn't ring true. If you want a real life answer..the very fact that in 2014 (http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/SIMLite/sim_index.cfm) we will have an instrument in orbit capable of detecting 500 Earthlike planets in other solar systems would suggest to us the potential that human just might be a small minority of life in the galaxy.

Maybe, but if we're talking real life, then it's just as possible that the life on those 500 earth-like planets may be of the plant and stupid animal variety, or there may not be any at all (Remember, Venus is an earth-like planet that's really cloudy. Show me the Venusians!). Under those conditions, in terms of intelligent, space-faring life, we'd be IT! If we're IT, then where are you getting all these aliens you want to put in the crews??

Or we'll do it your way. Let's say they're all teeming with intelligent, space-faring life. It's entirely possible that their values and our values are so alien to each other that they'd rather go extinct than have anything to do with us. If there have to be aliens in our ships, what do you do if the rest of the galaxy says "Frak you"?

In either one of these scenarios, unless there are already aliens living among us, if you're going to build starships, you're going to have to man them with nothing but human beings anyway. What I don't understand is this mentality that seems to find a ship filled with only human beings a problem in storytelling terms. Human beings are great sources of drama and comedy, and they are great at portraying action and adventure. Why do you need guys with pointy ears or bony noses?

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

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The problem is...there are 150 plus members of the UFP. If the population is 1.5 trillion, do you really think ONE planet would make up the majority of the crewman in Starfleet?

Uhh...did you ever watch TOS? That's pretty much how it worked, and Kirk and company managed just fine.

Budget. And they likely hadn't thought of it yet. TOS was pretty vague with regards to Starfeet and the Federation.

 

[Dayton Ward]

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^ Actually, they did think of it. From the Star Trek Writer's Guide, circa 1967:

"So far, Mister Spock has been our only crewman with blood lines from another planet. However, it is not impossible that we might discover some other aliens or part aliens working aboard our Starship."

However, budget ultimately is what drove the appearance of most of the aliens on TOS. That, and the obvious fact that the stories focused on the same set of main characters, all of which were human save one.

 

[prometheuspan]

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I suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules regarding flaming. As this is somewhat borderline I'll let it go, but dial it back

I apologize for riding the line. I was certainly aware that I was riding it at the time and, even thought of editing it once i hit the reply button.

Instead. I said what i think needed to be said, perhaps i could have worked
to be more tactful, I'm not sure what your feeling is on the issue but If you'd like I can try to edit it down a notch or two.

For the record, I'm actually an eclectic world religions scholar and have nothing but the highest regard for Y'shua.

All of that said, it seems the conversation turned, which, IMO, it needed to.

 

[prometheuspan]

Re: Would You Watch a Trek Series with an all male, all human main cas

Maybe, but if we're talking real life, then it's just as possible that the life on those 500 earth-like planets may be of the plant and stupid animal variety, or there may not be any at all (Remember, Venus is an earth-like planet that's really cloudy. Show me the Venusians!). Under those conditions, in terms of intelligent, space-faring life, we'd be IT! If we're IT, then where are you getting all these aliens you want to put in the crews??

Venus is regarded as earth like only in terms of its size. The trek universe
tells us that there are a few hundred member planetary civilizations of starfleet and many more non member civilizations.

Or we'll do it your way. Let's say they're all teeming with intelligent, space-faring life. It's entirely possible that their values and our values are so alien to each other that they'd rather go extinct than have anything to do with us. If there have to be aliens in our ships, what do you do if the rest of the galaxy says "Frak you"?

Cooperative exploration would be in the mutual interest of all such civilizations.

In either one of these scenarios, unless there are already aliens living among us, if you're going to build starships, you're going to have to man them with nothing but human beings anyway. What I don't understand is this mentality that seems to find a ship filled with only human beings a problem in storytelling terms. Human beings are great sources of drama and comedy, and they are great at portraying action and adventure. Why do you need guys with pointy ears or bony noses?

Me personally, i'd prefer no more pointy ears or bumpy noses. In fact I think
they should come up with a species design encounter system via die roll,
list every large animal species on earth, add a few speculative ideas, and
then create species which are completely different from humans; which is what we would expect to find. How would that work?
We rolled three D20 and came up with 17-14-11 which just happens to be
lobster. So now we slightly increase the size and complexity of a lobster and add sentience and tool gripping appendages.