Me too, come to think of it.
Would you rather live in the SW universe or the ST universe?
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Me too, come to think of it.
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Me too, come to think of it.
Touche.
Yeah, that's just it. They have safety railings to protect people from drops of a meter or two that might bruise them, but nothing to protect them from drops of thousands of meters that would undoubtedly kill them.
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That's a fair point, but you end up with a system where people with glamourous jobs such as starship captain are earning the same 'wage' (nothing) as the person cleaning the toilets at the Starfleet Academy frat houses. How exactly is that fair?
It is fair. As far as I can tell, there isn't a sense of a lack of inequity or anything like that. I feel like you're projecting 21st century mentality to a time where that simply does not exist. I doubt it's on the minds of those actually in that century to be honest.
How exactly is it fair that the rich have everything and the rest of us just scrape by?
The very concept of wealth is unfair.
Also I doubt the Star Wars universe would be any better off for one wanting to acquire wealth as an average citizen as per the original posters criteria. In fact it seems to me most people struggle just as much in the Star Wars universe as they do in the real world. Unless you're a Jedi or a politician or already someone with money it's not really a nice universe to be in.
Become a gangster like Jabba.
Star Trek, cause the Star Wars galaxy seems to get invaded or taken over by bad dudes at least every couple of generations and I don't like those odds.
Right, so you learn to handle it properly, just like any other weapon. That's a common sense problem, not a flaw in the concept.
But not tactically preferable if it doesn't put your enemy down for long enough.
I'd cut off their heads. The headless can't file court papers.
Neither. And since lightsabers can deflect both directed energy fire and other lightsabers, I would just learn to use it properly and ultimately not face either possibility.
But he can walk, roll and hover on his own, obviating the need for me to carry him.
Right, beaming is all those things...until it seperates your good and evil halves, malfunctions and turns you into the elephant man, sends you into a mirror universe where Luke is Darth Vader, or any of the other wacky beaming screw-ups seen in the ST universe. I'll risk landing and pay the fees.
Or, the Force is the universal translator. No assembly required.
Even if it is a matter of learning multiple languages the hard way, why is that a bad thing in a multicultural galaxy? All you're really saying is that ST's UT lets you be lazy.
But the vast majority of the androids that fit that description in the ST universe are bad guys. (Namely, the ones in "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", the ones in "I, MUDD", and most notably, Data's Evil Twin Lore.) What good are proper human-shaped automatons if their only purpose is to kill you, enslave you or destroy you because they didn't get enough love from Dad? The droids in the SW universe may be misnamed, but they serve sentient beings, like they're supposed to do.
True, but I can settle down somewhere and sell the ship, and then I'd have the extra money, something I could never have living in the socialist utopia that is the United Federation of Planets.
Yeah, but they have the technology to cross the galaxy in days. The Trekkers have beamers and phasers and life-like holograms and their ships travel at a slow crawl by comparison.
I'll take a fast ship and monochrome holoprojections over that any day.
Being a Jedi is terrible. You're taken away from your family at a young age and brainwashed into their bizarre quasi-religious cult. They make you go into battle and yet not form attachments to your fellow soldiers which is the normal reaction of people in combat.
You're not allowed to form attachments with other people, period. I guess you could have random, uncommitted sex and being a rock-star Jedi would put you in high demand, even if you're one of those guys who look like a squid, but after a while that would probably start to pall. Look at Starfleet, where random, uncommitted sex and marriage are both options, even simultaneously. They don't even have rules about fraternization within the ranks! Why opt for the Jedi and all their inhuman rules over Starfleet's complete laxity over people's personal lives?
But the worst thing is that Jedi are always in danger of abruptly joining the enemy for reasons that still remain rather unexplained. To put that in Trek terms, envision Starfleet personnel running around with Borg nanoprobes in their bodies, just swimming around and waiting to be activated by some unpredictable outside stimulus. This could happen not just to you but to everyone around you. You never know when and where the boom will be lowered. I don't think I could take the stress.
I'm amazed the Jedi aren't a lot more paranoid about each other.
Star Trek, by leaps and bounds. If I want the excitement of Star Wars, I can run a holoprogram. Otherwise, I'm free to pursue my passions and interests limited only by my ability without regard for penury, free of oppression and instability that keeps turning into slaughter on a massive scale. Also, Risa.
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It's fair because achievement is not measured in such superficial terms as how big the number in your bank account is. In a post-scarcity society, where material wealth is a given, where the lowliest janitor can just waltz up to a replicator and order up any item that would've been the province of the privileged few in centuries past, wealth is a meaningless standard. It's like judging people's achievement by how much air they have to breathe. So society needs to redefine its sense of what is valuable. The Federation values achievement, enrichment, experience, personal growth. Someone who doesn't work hard, who just settles for a limited, repetitive existence, gains little in the way of personal enrichment and experience. Someone who puts in the effort to become a starship captain gains experiences of unimagined wonder, challenge and achievement on a planetary scale, and enrichment through exposure to knowledge and ideas undreamed of by humanity. Thus, by the standards of a post-scarcity society, the person who does more work gains more wealth. (Which, let's face it, is a lot fairer than our society, where the richest people often don't do any work at all while the people who labor tirelessly often have to settle for a pittance.)
Everyone makes mistakes. It's arrogant to assume that one can achieve perfection regardless of one's level of skill. A lightsaber is far more unforgiving of accident than a stun weapon.
I'd rather not have enemies. Normal person, everyday life, remember? I'd rather watch other people's fictional adventures than live the painful, traumatic reality.
But at least some of them are evidently sentient themselves. I have no desire to live in a universe that tolerates slavery.
A post-scarcity economy is not a socialist economy. It's impossible for a socialist economy to exist in a post-scarcity society, because socialism is an economic system in which the means of production and wealth creation are controlled by the state. Just as much as capitalism, socialism is an economic theory predicated on the assumption of material scarcity, making material possessions valuable and finite, and on the assumption that the manufacture of goods requires human labor. Neither of those is true in a replicator-based economy. Therefore, no existing economic theory would be applicable to a post-scarcity society, and new ones would have to be invented.
And just because money isn't needed to survive in the Federation, that doesn't mean it can't exist. We've seen that people in the Federation can own possessions, open their own businesses, and use currency in economic transactions. There is a Bank of Bolius, for example. It's just that material acquisition is a luxury rather than a necessity.
Well, in the books, the Federation now has quantum slipstream drive that can cross the galaxy in as little as hours. So I'm all set.
Being a Jedi is terrible. You're taken away from your family at a young age and brainwashed into their bizarre quasi-religious cult. They make you go into battle and yet not form attachments to your fellow soldiers which is the normal reaction of people in combat.
You're not allowed to form attachments with other people, period....
But the worst thing is that Jedi are always in danger of abruptly joining the enemy for reasons that still remain rather unexplained. To put that in Trek terms, envision Starfleet personnel running around with Borg nanoprobes in their bodies, just swimming around and waiting to be activated by some unpredictable outside stimulus. This could happen not just to you but to everyone around you. You never know when and where the boom will be lowered. I don't think I could take the stress.
Yeah, being a Jedi would suck. No friends. No love. Oops, I just joined the Dark Side. At least they have cookies here.
I can just hear Crichton saying that.
Exactly, just play at Jedi on the Holodec.
Seems to me the job is its own reward. Hell, I'd work for free too if it meant I could travel around the galaxy exploring strange new worlds, etc ...
