Not for me. I don't care if it is a finale, or in the midseason. A bad episode is just that-bad.
Would these are the voyages been less hated if it was not the last episode?
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The worst part is that they never apologized for it.
It was still not a good episode because seeing Riker and Troi elicit groans more than excitement. They don't even look like the time period they were from.
It just feels like the writers couldn't get over TNG. Enterprise deserved to make it's own history.
It just feels like the writers couldn't get over TNG. Enterprise deserved to make it's own history.
Last night I was reading In the Unathorized history of Star Trek by Robert Green Berger that Tatv had the worst tv ratings for the entire four seasons of the Enterprise tv series and for a Star trek series finale. Terra Prime had great ratings but it certainly shows why this show is so disliked by Enterprise fans.
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And once when i was bored i joined both the pegasus and this and like when riker said he was gonna tell it does not even have him do it until like after they go onto the ship so not sure what happened there.
There's a definite discrepancy between the two episodes. Plus they make Data talk the same way he did in Season 1.
I also consider Terra Prime the last episode. I did not watch it the last time I watched Enterprise all the way through. If they had left out Trip's death, the time jump, and it was mid season it wouldn't have been the worst, certainly not the best though. That SW holiday episode is the worst Star Wars though, I forced myself to watch it through once. Once was more than enough!
Yes they did, actually.
I hate it more than I hate actual hate. The very thought of it makes me wish that it would become the first piece of fiction to grow sentience and also watch itself and also hate itself and could spend the rest of it's life apologizing to us the fans. It makes my blood boil so hot that my internal organs have melted and the only thing keeping me alive is my hated of this episode fueled by some beyond the cosmos explanation as to how this is possible. Still I do like it better than "Precious Cargo."
Jason
Jason
Let's be thankful for small gestures...
What they have done exactly?
-Is TATV de-canonized? (Even novels continue with the stupidity; yes Trip is alive but all the main characters, especially him, assaulted, savaged and "killed" without mercy.)
-OK, let me forget the relaunch of ENT, did they produce some TV-films, mini series, etc to fix the ENT-final?
For me is apologizing means showing the regret with the deeds, not lip service.
Both Rick Berman and Brannon Braga have gone on record as stating that TATV was a mistake, even though they had good intentions.
As for “decanonizing” it, sorry but that’s not going to happen. Neither Berman nor Braga have that power, only CBS does, and they don’t give a shit about TATV.
And you believe this? After majority of ST people said TATV is crap, after TATV is chosen as worst episode ever? We know that during the production Scott Bakula warned them and they have ignored him. What would they say after all? For me they destroyed willingly, everything that they think they have built. Cheap Medea imitation! Show found its way, after BnB's domination weakened and they couldn't accept the fact. Now, they are accepting firmly a clear mistake, so what? Why should I accept this very late worthless perception as an apologize?
I know they wouldn't, but as a customer it is my right to request an apologize from CBS and not only for TATV, but all ENT disaster. They won't and I won't consume their goods. Isn't it fair?
Yeah, but we were really looking for suppuku, or something on that level. That might have been more acceptable.
Why not after all with this travesty, they certainly seppukued the series!
Of course I believe it. Berman and Braga aren't the evil twins you're making them out to be. If anything, the only thing they're guilty of is running out of ideas.
If you feel the need to blame someone, blame UPN, and Dawn Ostroff in particular. Ever heard of Dawn Ostroff? Bet you haven't. She was the president of UPN during three of the four seasons ENT was on the air. It was UPN that hamstrung B&B by wanting a time travel element to the show rather than just having it be a prequel. That's why the Temporal Cold War was such a half-assed idea: B&B never wanted to do it in the first place. Later, it was Ostroff who wanted such things as having a boy band play on the show every week, and efforts to make the show "sexier" (as if Star Trek fans care about seeing sex on their show), resulting in such ridiculousness as T'Pol turning into a masseuse and showing her butt crack.
As for TATV, UPN was also responsible for only giving B&B one hour instead of the usual two that finales traditionally got. They also gave them very little time to prepare for it. Yes, I'll grant that the Pegasus framing story, the holodeck recreations of the ENT crew who acted completely out of character, and the pointless reasoning behind Trip's death was a stupid and senseless way to end the show, but at the time, they truly felt that they were giving a gift to the fans with TATV, even though the finished product was anything but.
As I said, blame UPN, not CBS. But unfortunately you can't, because UPN doesn't exist anymore. And I'm sure CBS will be putting your personal request for an apology for ENT and TATV right at the top of their list of things to do today.
@Dukhat I do not know why do you react so aggressively, but I won't allowed no one to make me strow man; fighting against the words, supposed I said, which I did not. If you want to argue with me, try to make it on the basis of what I said.
For me BnB is not devilish, but self-esteemed nonprofessionals. They have written whole two seasons, which has so far I know never done before. Even Roddenberry was not so self-confident. They can have a great author staff, they can give the opportunity to the young people who suckled Star Trek Universe with mother milk and play great mentor role. Nevertheless, they were unprofessional enough not to see " running out of ideas" as you said, and did nothing, rather choose go down with the ship (or sink the ship, depends on perspective) . I call it stupidity. Even smart people can do stupid things, but I am not sure about the smartness of BnB.
And sorry to say, but I think the people who grumbles about "sex" at ENT, did never watch the ST franchise or could not understand what they are watching all the time. Heyy, we have all these half naked, gorgeous ladies (strippers inclusive) and a captain who has a girl at every planet at the and of 60's. We have sexy ladies (also Vulcan) and erotic scenes at the films. At 80's we have Riker who was willingly became a sex-slave, we have Troi who has only one issue: being eye candy, we have an old, bald captain who has more beautiful, sexy love interests than Kirk . Voyager hat 7 of 9, who has combined breath taking sexiness with intelligence. Among other things, Sisko could have sex at one episode with Dax and Kira (and his wife) at MU.
we get very original and unbelievable hot, hotter, hottest sexy episode "Precious Cargo" from them.
I began with a thread to ask what would be the better way without VPN to TnT. You can read the replies, or you can write your meaning too.
I do not know, if you are know me better than me, (waww that would be devilish, isn't it?
) , but believe me I know all UPN stories. And I think all the stories about TCW etc. are also very well known by even newly ENT fans like me. And believe me UPN lives, as integrated part of The CW, which belongs... (don't be surprised) CBS and WB. So, CBS is the one. There is enough alternative to CBS, they need me as consumer, I do not need them.
And I do not care CBS's things- to-do- list, what I care is my self-respect and to being consequent. Our human cultural history cannot be developed in this way, if we always keep our mouth shout and let do what reign want to do from us. Respect your self even as a single, unimportant(?) individual. It's a good thing, I suggest it to everyone.
For me BnB is not devilish, but self-esteemed nonprofessionals. They have written whole two seasons, which has so far I know never done before. Even Roddenberry was not so self-confident. They can have a great author staff, they can give the opportunity to the young people who suckled Star Trek Universe with mother milk and play great mentor role. Nevertheless, they were unprofessional enough not to see " running out of ideas" as you said, and did nothing, rather choose go down with the ship (or sink the ship, depends on perspective) . I call it stupidity. Even smart people can do stupid things, but I am not sure about the smartness of BnB.
And sorry to say, but I think the people who grumbles about "sex" at ENT, did never watch the ST franchise or could not understand what they are watching all the time. Heyy, we have all these half naked, gorgeous ladies (strippers inclusive) and a captain who has a girl at every planet at the and of 60's. We have sexy ladies (also Vulcan) and erotic scenes at the films. At 80's we have Riker who was willingly became a sex-slave, we have Troi who has only one issue: being eye candy, we have an old, bald captain who has more beautiful, sexy love interests than Kirk . Voyager hat 7 of 9, who has combined breath taking sexiness with intelligence. Among other things, Sisko could have sex at one episode with Dax and Kira (and his wife) at MU.
Sure, you are not talking in my name. I would rather have more good written erotic scenes at the show according to Trek tradition. As ENT aired, competitors like Six Feet Under, Ally McBeal, The Wire, The OC etc, have more hard, explicit, erotic, whatsoever scenes. How many sex or erotic scenes or even love stories ENT? How many lovers had Captain Archer? Reed? Mayweather? Sato? Phlox? Another great potential which is wasted from BnB. To be fair
we get very original and unbelievable hot, hotter, hottest sexy episode "Precious Cargo" from them.
I began with a thread to ask what would be the better way without VPN to TnT. You can read the replies, or you can write your meaning too.
I do not know, if you are know me better than me, (waww that would be devilish, isn't it?
) , but believe me I know all UPN stories. And I think all the stories about TCW etc. are also very well known by even newly ENT fans like me. And believe me UPN lives, as integrated part of The CW, which belongs... (don't be surprised) CBS and WB. So, CBS is the one. There is enough alternative to CBS, they need me as consumer, I do not need them.And I do not care CBS's things- to-do- list, what I care is my self-respect and to being consequent. Our human cultural history cannot be developed in this way, if we always keep our mouth shout and let do what reign want to do from us. Respect your self even as a single, unimportant(?) individual. It's a good thing, I suggest it to everyone.
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