Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical?

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

We've seen people in the wrong color uniform for their posts before, like Spock wearing gold in the second pilot (though since he was both first officer and science officer, I guess either could've worked), or Charlene Masters in "The Alternative Factor" wearing blue despite being an engineer (and having no rank stripes despite being a lieutenant). Data was effectively TNG's science-officer character, but he was in operations gold because it looked better with his makeup.

Come to think of it, Harry Kim was nominally the operations manager and wore gold, but he functioned as the de facto science officer just as Data had. Maybe the same goes for Beach. I can see how an ops manager could fill a role similar to that of a science officer, since their job is to coordinate the activities of the crew, allocate resources, and so on, and on a ship primarily dedicated to science, they'd have to keep on top of the science-related activities. It's a reach, but there's certainly more than a little canonical evidence to support it.

Without knowing precisely how uniform colors are chosen, it's certainly possible that an officer could just pick the color he wanted as long as his background fit within the division in question and he logged hours in that area while serving in his current post.

Another example of alternate uniform colors would be Spock, who wore the white of the command division after being promoted to captain, but served as science officer in addition to his duties as Kirk's XO following TVH.

--Sran

 

[Cyrus]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

It was totally unacceptable when they changed the actor for Daimon Bok. How could Picard still recognize him?

OK, just kidding.

 

[Christopher]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

In the novel Vanguard: Harbinger, which is set between the second pilot and the first season, there's a bit where the Enterprise crew, having returned from the galactic rim, gets assigned the new uniforms that came into use while they were away. When a character sees first officer Spock in science blue, he asks if Spock was assigned the wrong uniform by the quartermaster, and Spock explains that since he's also the science officer, he had a choice of which department color to wear.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

We've seen people in the wrong color uniform for their posts before, like Spock wearing gold in the second pilot (though since he was both first officer and science officer, I guess either could've worked), or Charlene Masters in "The Alternative Factor" wearing blue despite being an engineer (and having no rank stripes despite being a lieutenant). Data was effectively TNG's science-officer character, but he was in operations gold because it looked better with his makeup.

Come to think of it, Harry Kim was nominally the operations manager and wore gold, but he functioned as the de facto science officer just as Data had. Maybe the same goes for Beach. I can see how an ops manager could fill a role similar to that of a science officer, since their job is to coordinate the activities of the crew, allocate resources, and so on, and on a ship primarily dedicated to science, they'd have to keep on top of the science-related activities. It's a reach, but there's certainly more than a little canonical evidence to support it.

Without knowing precisely how uniform colors are chosen, it's certainly possible that an officer could just pick the color he wanted as long as his background fit within the division in question and he logged hours in that area while serving in his current post.

Another example of alternate uniform colors would be Spock, who wore the white of the command division after being promoted to captain, but served as science officer in addition to his duties as Kirk's XO following TVH.

To muddy the issue further, Saavik wore a command white undershirt in Star Trek III, but there was a grayish-purple band on her otherwise white service bar similar in color to Chekov's and Uhura's undershirts.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

To muddy the issue further, Saavik wore a command white undershirt in Star Trek III, but there was a grayish-purple band on her otherwise white service bar similar in color to Chekov's and Uhura's undershirts.

Not sure what you're referring to, as she clearly has the white bar/strap where her rank is located, but I don't see the purple you're talking about. There is a trim on the edge of the bar, but it looks like other officers have the same thing.

A better example would be Valeris from TUC. She has a red undershirt with a purple rank bar similar to Uhura and Chekov.

--Sran

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

To muddy the issue further, Saavik wore a command white undershirt in Star Trek III, but there was a grayish-purple band on her otherwise white service bar similar in color to Chekov's and Uhura's undershirts.

Not sure what you're referring to, as she clearly has the white bar/strap where her rank is located, but I don't see the purple you're talking about. There is a trim on the edge of the bar, but it looks like other officers have the same thing.

The service bar on her lower left sleeve. There is a slanted grayish-purple band there.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0246.jpg

 

[BillJ]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

To muddy the issue further, Saavik wore a command white undershirt in Star Trek III, but there was a grayish-purple band on her otherwise white service bar similar in color to Chekov's and Uhura's undershirts.

Not sure what you're referring to, as she clearly has the white bar/strap where her rank is located, but I don't see the purple you're talking about. There is a trim on the edge of the bar, but it looks like other officers have the same thing.

The service bar on her lower left sleeve. There is a slanted grayish-purple band there.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0246.jpg

Maybe that just shows she's a rookie officer.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

The service bar on her lower left sleeve. There is a slanted grayish-purple band there.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0246.jpg

Nice catch! I'd never noticed that before.

--Sran

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

Not sure what you're referring to, as she clearly has the white bar/strap where her rank is located, but I don't see the purple you're talking about. There is a trim on the edge of the bar, but it looks like other officers have the same thing.

The service bar on her lower left sleeve. There is a slanted grayish-purple band there.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0246.jpg

Maybe that just shows she's a rookie officer.

Shane Johnson in his Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise book speculated that it did represent a first-year officer with the colored band representing her division (or perhaps secondary specialty, IMO).

 

[BillJ]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

The service bar on her lower left sleeve. There is a slanted grayish-purple band there.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch2/tsfs0246.jpg

Maybe that just shows she's a rookie officer.

Shane Johnson in his Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise book speculated that it did represent a first-year officer with the colored band representing her division (or perhaps secondary specialty, IMO).

Might be where I got it! Though I haven't really read it in twenty years.

 

[Commishsleer]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

OK since we've gone off track here, has anyone worked out the pip rank thing in STID?
I'm still confused.

In regards to the Pine Kirk and Shatner Kirk, if I had looked at Scotty in STVI and none of the other movies I probably would have guessed that they had recast him from TOS. I think he looks quite different from his younger days.
All the other member of the cast are readily recognisable though.

 

[Lt. Uhura-Brown]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

Young Picard from his days at the Academy looks nothing like Shinzon.

Take from that what you will.

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

Pip ranks in STID? Rank in this era (Prime as well as the J.J. timeline) is denoted by gold braids on the uniform sleeves, unless there were also pips on some of the uniforms that I'm overlooking and forgetting about. Do you mean the star or emblem-like insignia on the dress uniform shoulder epaulets?

The Abramsverse rank braids of the late 2250s going into 2260 largely mimic those seen in TOS, TAS and ST:TMP except that there are no broken, dash-like braids to denote ranks such as Captain, Lt. Commander and Lt. Junior Grade. Captain in the new timeline is one wider braid followed by one that's more narrow and then another wider one.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

^Yeah, on the shoulders of the dress uniforms - they're similar to the pips worn in ENT. 3 for Commander Spock, 4 for Captain Kirk (who hadn't yet had time to downgrade his uniform) etc.

 

[Commishsleer]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

^Yeah, on the shoulders of the dress uniforms - they're similar to the pips worn in ENT. 3 for Commander Spock, 4 for Captain Kirk (who hadn't yet had time to downgrade his uniform) etc.

So no Lt Commander?
What are Scotty's and McCoy's ranks then?

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[F. King Daniel]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

IIRC, Scotty was rounded down to two pips. I don't recall seeing McCoy in the dress uniform.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

^Yeah, on the shoulders of the dress uniforms - they're similar to the pips worn in ENT. 3 for Commander Spock, 4 for Captain Kirk (who hadn't yet had time to downgrade his uniform) etc.

Found some pics illustrating here:

http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topic/2514/Dress-Uniform

Edit - more:

http://starfleet1701st.yuku.com/topic/2421/STID-Formal-Uniforms

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

Young Picard from his days at the Academy looks nothing like Shinzon.

Take from that what you will.

I take from that, they were played by different actors.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

Young Picard from his days at the Academy looks nothing like Shinzon.

Take from that what you will.

I take from that, they were played by different actors.

I always loved that people considered bald Academy Picard a continuity violation.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Re: Would Spock Prime think Kirk and a young Kirk Prime look identical

I always loved that people considered bald Academy Picard a continuity violation.

Me, too. Is it really that hard to believe he'd shave his head and grow it back later? I wonder what people thought whenever Shatner wore a different hairpiece on the set.

--Sran