Roseanne was an incredibly popular show. It was on for 9 seasons and won many awards (several Golden Globes as well as many Emmy nominations). Are Trek fans only supposed to know about nerdy scifi things?
Worst Tv show finale ever?
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You might need to re-watch it. That's not what happened.
That's pretty much it. Seven years of waiting for them to get home and that's what we got.
What part did I get wrong? I watched it just a few days ago (which is why I commented at all), and I'm kind of confused now. I know there were a number of other incidents that occured between current time Season 7 and Voyager's alternate-future return home, specifically Tuvok's treatable illness, but it always seemed to me that the script, and Admiral Janeway, cared most about that one character's death.
Eh, it's kind of what happened. "Seven of Nine is going to die" was the line that convinced Present-Janeway to go along with Admiral Janeway's plan.
Goji is wrong.
She wants Chakotay too. And Tuvok's gone mental.
But no, seriously, he's right, it pretty much paints Janeway as someone bizarrely attached to undoing a specific event in the past rather than any of the others. It feels BS.
Also, from what I know of it it wasn't sci-fi, which makes its inclusion on this list doubly incongruous (given the forum).
She wants Chakotay too. And Tuvok's gone mental.
But no, seriously, he's right, it pretty much paints Janeway as someone bizarrely attached to undoing a specific event in the past rather than any of the others. It feels BS.
We're more likely to. I don't know if it's because it's American or before my time but I've rarely heard of it and have never seen an episode. I wouldn't be surprised if more people posting here have seen "Endgame" than saw Roseanne's finale - makes sense.
Also, from what I know of it it wasn't sci-fi, which makes its inclusion on this list doubly incongruous (given the forum).
Well, maybe it's me who needs to go back and re-watch it!
I thought the timing was picked precisely so that she could destroy the Borg and use the hub to get them home. Any further back would have introduced too many variables Future Janeway couldn't predict or control.
My memory is that this was an essential part of her plan, not just to save Seven, but to get everyone home via the hub and destroy the Queen. Future Janeway knew she was never coming back.
I thought the timing was picked precisely so that she could destroy the Borg and use the hub to get them home. Any further back would have introduced too many variables Future Janeway couldn't predict or control.
My memory is that this was an essential part of her plan, not just to save Seven, but to get everyone home via the hub and destroy the Queen. Future Janeway knew she was never coming back.
Well, this I agree with. It was a sitcom in the 80s/90s.
Maybe it's an American thing. I never really watched it either (I was just a little kid at the time), but I certainly know what it is.
Well, yeah, there was that, but the death of Seven of Nine carried way too much weight in convincing the younger Janeway to go along with the plan.Well, maybe it's me who needs to go back and re-watch it!
I thought the timing was picked precisely so that she could destroy the Borg and use the hub to get them home. Any further back would have introduced too many variables Future Janeway couldn't predict or control.
My memory is that this was an essential part of her plan, not just to save Seven, but to get everyone home via the hub and destroy the Queen. Future Janeway knew she was never coming back.
Except the plan didn't involve destroying the Borg. Not until Captain Janeway realized that, being on Star Trek Voyager and all, long term consequences need not apply, so they could "have [their] cake and eat it too". Admiral Janeway was no longer interested in sacrificing the well being of her crew in order to save others, as she had done in the first episode to get them stranded in the first place. And given that dramatic attitude shift, I can think of at least one really obvious time she could have used to get the crew back home a LOT earlier, and therefore save more lives.
Official Trek Today review: http://www.littlereview.com/getcritical/voyreviews/endgame.htm
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/endgame/
As much as I have problems with elements of "Endgame"--the practically ex nihilo C/7 relationship, Admiral Janeway as a giant ethical black hole--I think the show, and the series, ended exactly right. What would we have gotten if they had shown them actually arriving at Earth? A half-hour long marathon of hugging and weeping some guest actors we might have seen once (or never) in the series itself? It would have been boring. See, for instance, "What You Leave Behind" and its tedious exercise in nostalgia bogging down the pacing of the DS9 finale. "Endgame" kept up the tension and drama (yeah, yeah) until the very last minute.
And I love Mulgrew's performance and delivery of that last line. The shocked disbelief, happiness warring with the realization that everything she'd known for the last seven years was going to change, the people she had more than anybody else built into a family were going to scatter... a victory, absolutely, but just a tinge of the bittersweet there too. I just think it's a beautifully understated moment.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
And I love Mulgrew's performance and delivery of that last line. The shocked disbelief, happiness warring with the realization that everything she'd known for the last seven years was going to change, the people she had more than anybody else built into a family were going to scatter... a victory, absolutely, but just a tinge of the bittersweet there too. I just think it's a beautifully understated moment.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
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We needed a coda; not necessarily a half-hour, but definitely a coda. It's seven years of this show, we deserved a moment of release, seeing the characters happy, moving on back to Earth, a brief reminisce. Just like TNG had the good taste to end on a poker game; it's something.
As-is, we get literally nothing. They're home, roll credits. That's a wrap, folks.
Right, which goes back to the episode "Imperfection" where Seven tells Janeway: "If I die you'll never get over it."
How could Janeway?
Seven + Janeway = Ripley +Newt.
She saved her from the Borg and raised her as her own daughter. What mother could even get over the death of her child?
However, she went back to save her family and her own soul at the best moment she could because she had no real future without them. That's why she became a bitch.
Endgame had Alice Krieg back as the Borg Queen.
That alone trumps Riker and Troi in TATV.
3 out of 5 isn't what I'd call "dominated". It's okay to keep the poll in here for now. Just next time make all of the options sci-fi / fantasy.
Danke.
Well then I guess my memory is going, along with everything else.
I could have sworn Future Janeway knew it was a one way trip, and that the hub was the only chance to send Voyager back to Earth. I also could have sworn she deliberately brought back the virus that would disable the Queen when she tried to assimilate her.
I thought it was all a precise plan on her part, timed to save her three crew members, destroy the queen, and send them home through the hub. The only thing she had to do was convince Present Janeway to go along....???
Anyway, I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Endgame....
I could have sworn Future Janeway knew it was a one way trip, and that the hub was the only chance to send Voyager back to Earth. I also could have sworn she deliberately brought back the virus that would disable the Queen when she tried to assimilate her.
I thought it was all a precise plan on her part, timed to save her three crew members, destroy the queen, and send them home through the hub. The only thing she had to do was convince Present Janeway to go along....???
Anyway, I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Endgame....
I would have to go with TATV. They managed to simultaneously make a bad Enterprise episode and a bad TNG episode. The X-Files finale gets second place, which is a shame since it is one of my favorite shows. I also didn't care for the direction they took with the BSG finale. It doesn't ruin the series for me like it does some people, but I was annoyed by it.
I don't think the writers fully understood the implications of discarding all technology, and the effects it would have on quality of life.
ENT, so far. Horrendous but not unbeatable. Gives Heroes something to shoot for. 
The BSG finale wasn't anywhere close to being in that league.
The BSG finale wasn't anywhere close to being in that league.The fact that humanity invented technology later anyway makes that sacrifice a big, fat joke. I'm sure many of the colonists suffered and died because of that decision, and what did it accomplish? Diddly and squat.
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