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Must be some deleted scene .
Must be some deleted scene .
Worst TNG Episode Ever?
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Is Okuna the one with Joe Piscopo and Data on the holodeck? Because that gets my "worst scene ever" vote.
I would also add that Darmok is one of my least favorite episodes. Many people love it, but as a translator/linguist the whole abstract language idea just turns me off. I can't see how you can learn to speak in the abstract without having a concrete base to build on.
It could be interesting to compare the quality of clip shows in different series, almost all of them are unpopular (they tend to be incapable of not having the clips go on too long) but the most popular, if not only good one, is probably the one on The Simpsons (which also mostly involved an injured character flashing back).
I'm a fan of Riker so SoG was mostly OK but got too dumb near the end.
implied, not shown.
I must be the only person who didn't hate Joe Piscopo's scene in "The Outrageous Okona." It was a good scene for Data. I just always wished they had gotten a less grating comedian to play the part. Some ex-Monty Python guy would have been a good start.
Many of the Season 7 episode are truly lamentable. ST's powers that be had turned their attention away from TNG and toward DS9 and many of the scripts seem as if they had been scripts for earlier seasons that had been previously rejected. Also, Patrick Stewart had reduced his involvement to the point that he was often only in the beginning and end of many episodes.
Season 7 seems to be the weakest link for every TNG-era show. DS9 edges out ahead of TNG and VOY's season 7 episodes because of the last 9 episodes of the season that closes out the Dominion War, but even those had some clunker elements to them. Other episodes in DS9's season 7 felt like filler or were just bad (Emperor's New Cloak).
The ride was still solid for both TNG and DS9 though. VOY's high watermark was reached in season 4-5. After Equinox, things were all down hill.
They were also working on Voyager and Star Trek: Generations.
They were working on Voyager that early?
You figure, at least, a year for the writers to work everything out. Voyager premiered in January, 1995. So those last four or five months of TNG production had the writers spread really thin.
I agree, not a good episode though I agree with the message in the episode. It's odd to see Piscopo..who is such an integral part of early 80s Saturday Night Live with Eddie Murphy, and arguably it's peak period look so mediocre with an underwritten role.
Season 7 has the benefit of being many times better than TOS's 3rd season..if we are to compare final series seasons. No single episode from season 3 of TOS even approaches the best 7-8 episodes from season 7 of STNG.
I'm not sure if I mentioned it here before but Emergence is truly abysmal. There has to be a note made about something so pointless. I love picking apart AI stories; I loved seeing CGI in STNG back then; and some of the weird Braga stories (oh oh, Menosky wrote the teleplay though) were my favorite..this episode has all that and still manages to be one of the worst ST episodes ever.
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Yes there are a lot of factors that affect people's reactions to episodes. I would also add nationality to your list. Also emotional state, personality profile...I think quieter or shy people tend to dislike the more action filled episodes but the more energetic ones are impatient at something like "Data's Day". I find a lot of Trekkies to be neurotic...and overly absorbed by certain details. It might actually be the norm for hardcore Trekkies.
There are times when I can't figure out why particular people dislike something based on what I think of their "profile" or personality. Then it's a big question and I have to ask "why?".
RAMA
There are times when I can't figure out why particular people dislike something based on what I think of their "profile" or personality. Then it's a big question and I have to ask "why?".
RAMA
I'm fairly energetic and I love "Data's Day". Like anything else, it all comes down to execution for me. I like all different kinds of stories as long as they are well paced.
I think pacing is the biggest key to an action/adventure/drama show like this as opposed to just "action". Not all the trek shows were consistent with it and sometimes STNG went off the deep end. If we can expect anything from the 2017 show, I hope it will be that it gets the mix better than any Trek show extant.
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I am going to check out the other episodes mentioned here, but I loved the Outrageous Okona. Okona was a fun character.
I'm a quiet guy (not shy, though) and I prefer well-paced, action/drama oriented episodes.
I get bored really easy, so any film or episode has to hold my attention with something interesting.
E.g. 'Parallels' had the Troi and Worf thing going on, as well as time travel....so that kept my interest.
'Heart and Glory' had Tasha Yar, some interesting Klingon characters (before the show was over-saturated with Klingon stuff) as well as a shot of an attractive Asian officer in Engineering, in a Starfleet skirt and boots, reacting to the Kingon criminals taking over Engineering.
'Code of Honor' had a lot of black people in a Trek episode, so that garnered my interest.
'Booby Trap' had said trap w/books in the form of Leah Brahms, who was looking very attractive in her introduction...despite her being a program.
'Arsenal of Freedom' had Geordie in charge.
'Encounter at Farpoint,' despite some cheese and some things that don't work has Mirina Sirtis in a Starfleet skirt and boots, the cool Tasha Yar (who shows up in a skirt and boots at the end) families on board the ship, men in skirts and man-boots.
'The Naked Now,' despite some cheese, has the characters acting in interesting ways that we wouldn't have seen in TOS. Beverly getting sexy, Tasha getting sexy, the redheaded extra that we usually see in the first season - Lorine Mendell, who usually is wearing the yellow skirt and boots- passes by. I also found it interesting that Geordie seemed attracted to Tasha Yar.
'All Good Things...' holds my interest because Quote is hilarious, and we see the characters in the first season uniforms again.
Thanks, I've wondered if others were puzzled by this whole idea. I do like Darmok, but I never did understand how an abstract stand-in phrase could cover all particular instances of that action. If you have to say the metaphorical phrase each time, how do you distinguish it for THIS time? Where are the proper nouns, personal and relative pronouns, artcles, demonstrative adjectives, etc? Without words--or something (maybe body language?--but this was never suggested)--that point out the particularity of an example of the abstract, how do people know you're even talking about what is in front of you? And how could you describe a complex aqction in the here and now? Like "fire all aft weapons, full spread, changing resonating frequency by 2.2 milliblahblahs". Really? There's a metaphor for that? How do you even order breakfast? "I'll have the eggs of some creature I can't say the name of because we don't have a word for it, and could you mix in some fresh chives, oh and light on the other-unnamed-creature's fat, I'm watching my blood something". Uh huh.
She doesn't, my memory was bad. She appears to orgasm, or at least something like it, but just that, when Ronin, well, interpenetrates her (ok YOU pick a verb!)
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