Worst Character Assassination Episodes

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  1. The Wormhole

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    Bat'leths weren't even mentioned in the dialogue exchange between Bashir and Odo. Here's the dialogue here:
    Indeed, given Bashir specifically says he doesn't want a firefight at his doorway, they clearly aren't talking about Bat'leths.
     
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  2. Swedish Borg

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    Yes, you're right in Vortex he was vulnerable. But I think it's because the writer was desperate to put Odo in a situation where the guy could prove his humanity to him because until then he was just some scheming double-tongued asshole...

    It was hard at that point to find anything that would make a changeling more vulnerable than a humanoid. But I agree it's a problem and it seems contradictory with several cases where Odo is extremely strong and resilient, like when he manages to stop a turbolift at full speed or protect "Kira" (the female changeling actually) from falling rocks.
     
  3. Swedish Borg

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    The Klingons (in that episode) use disruptors at a distance but as soon as they get closer they go hand-to-hand very quickly as shown in ops where there is no disruptor fire exchanged but only batleths and limbs.
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    The point is Odo and Bashir were still talking about firefights in their conversation. At no point do either of them indicate bat'leths are a threat to Odo as you previously asserted.
     
  5. Swedish Borg

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    Remember when Bashir instructs his medics? He talks about lacerations, broken bones, and blunt force traumas... but not a word about disruptor burns. I wonder why that is.
     
  6. The Wormhole

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    And yet, he specifically says to Odo "The last thing I need is a team of deputies having a firefight in my doorway." I wonder why that is...
     
  7. Swedish Borg

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    Perhaps because there was more than one writer for this script. :D
     
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  8. Oddish

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    Or, if you watch the final battle in "Way of the Warrior", you will see that Klingons use both. Some materialize with bat'leth in hand, others have disruptors.
     
  9. Tim Thomason

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    They're more used to dealing with disruptor burns and phaser fire.
     
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  10. Oddish

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    And it's what they're already expecting, given that combat is imminent. But since they have probably never fought Klingons, Bashir is giving them additional training. This is not an "assassination", we see Bashir showing maturity and competence.
     
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  11. matthunter

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    Because Klingons don't tend to use lower-power settings on their energy weapons if they bother to fire them? So if you're hit, you're a goner.
     
  12. Swedish Borg

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    Unless you're a regular and you can be hit in the stomach and survive. Like say Geordi in Starship Mine (I know the hostage-takers were not Klingons) but he's hit in his chest by a disruptor and survives, the star fleet host is hit almost identically and he dies instantly... Life is not fair!!
     
  13. Tim Thomason

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    Per their name, I assume the hostage takers had an incentive not to kill and either used specialized low-setting disruptors or something similar to disruptors (not the kind with only a kill setting). One guy killed Hutch while a different guy stunned Geordi. Probably Hutch's death was the result of an incorrect setting and they didn't want to kill him (or, alternatively, Orton was a little more reticent about gunning down Starfleet officers than his unnamed, bloodthirsty accomplice).
     
  14. Oddish

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    Did they ever say that Hutch was dead? I remember he fell over and we didn't see him again, but don't recall Beverly pronouncing him dead.
     
  15. DonIago

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    I'm pretty sure Hutch's body is shown with a sheet pulled over it shortly after he's shot, possibly in the next scene set on the planet.
     
  16. Tim Thomason

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    Hutch's body with the sheet over him.
     
  17. Swedish Borg

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    Orton shoots Hutch If I remember correctly.
     
  18. Tim Thomason

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    Orton's unnamed waiter friend kills Hutch. Orton himself just shoots Geordi (and he is ultimately pretty reticent about the whole thing, by the way).
     
  19. Swedish Borg

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    How dare they kill the world champion of small talk!!!
     
  20. Tim Thomason

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    The episode does end on a comical beat about Picard getting his saddle back, and doesn't really reflect on the wanton murder of a Starfleet officer by terrorists or the dozens of paid mercenaries killed by Picard throughout the episode. Probably the first indication of Movie Picard and an arguable addition to the Worst Character Assassination list (and I'm not talking about Hutch here).