Sorry I wasn't clear, I was referring to "doubt" in regards to his written claims that he did nothing wrong. I have doubt that he is telling the truth, that's all.
Woody Allen responds to abuse allegations
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Sorry I wasn't clear, I was referring to "doubt" in regards to his written claims that he did nothing wrong. I have doubt that he is telling the truth, that's all.
The laws of every state very. However as a general rule in NY the statute of limitations for civil suit is only six years.
Reading that '92 custody case ruling is very, very chilling.
It is obvious to me that Allen was a very determined and single minded predator who was ONLY prevented from seriously abusing Dylan Farrow by her mother's caution and protection. In the end Allen's fame and financial resources as well as his connections are the only thing that prevented him from being thrown into jail and justifiably labelled a "sexual predator".
It is obvious to me that Allen was a very determined and single minded predator who was ONLY prevented from seriously abusing Dylan Farrow by her mother's caution and protection. In the end Allen's fame and financial resources as well as his connections are the only thing that prevented him from being thrown into jail and justifiably labelled a "sexual predator".
Really? Hmm. I thought there was a lot more leeway for civil suits than criminal. And I didn't even know there was a civil statute-of-limitations.
Oh, right, sorry, cause there's a world of difference between being a pedophile and being an incestuous old lecher. My mistake.
You sound sarcastic, but yes, there really is. One is a medical term that has a specific definition and diagnostic criteria, and the other isn't.
Again, pedophilia means a sexual preference for children who have not yet entered puberty. Preference for those at the point of puberty is called hebephilia, and preference for post-pubescent adolescents is called ephebophilia.
I completely understand that many find Allen's relationship with Soon-Yi to have been inappropriate, and I am not arguing about that. But the terms pedophile and pedophilia simply do not apply in that instance, if they are being used accurately and responsibly.
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General usage trumps scientific terminology when not talking with other professionals in the field. Deal with it.
If general usage boils down to most people not knowing what the f(x) they are talking about...then, if it's all the same to you, I'll continue to offer up what little I know of the rather sensitive subject upon which we now speak so glibly and the many mental health issues that may or may not go to inform it, and encourage people to be responsible in what they say about fellow human beings whom they do not know in a public forum such as this. And, full disclosure, I am not a mental health professional of any kind. I merely have undertaken a small effort to educate myself about the topic and check my basic facts and terms before commenting.
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Someone put it much better, "Woody Allen never married Mia Farrow, but since when has marriage been what defines a family? He was her partner for 14 years and helped her raise both their biological child and adopted children. There's also conjecture that his relationship with her became sexual while she was a minor. He f*cked his daughter.Don't take my word for it - his biological son with Mia Farrow says it best:“He’s my father married to my sister,” Ronan has said. “That makes me his son and his brother-in-law. That is such a moral transgression . . . I lived with all these adopted children, so they are my family. To say Soon-Yi was not my sister is an insult to all adopted children.”Needless to say, Ronan does not have a relationship with Woody, the daughterfucker Allen."
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Since she was never his daughter, how is it considered as incest?
Incest is more a legal or cultural term than a scientific one:
- The incest taboo is and has been one of the most widespread of all cultural taboos, both in present and in many past societies.[3] Most modern societies have laws regarding incest or social restrictions on closely consanguineous marriages.[3] In societies where it is illegal, consensual adult incest is seen by some as a victimless crime.[4][5] Some cultures extend the incest taboo to relatives with no consanguinity such as milk-siblings, step-siblings and adoptive siblings.[6][7] Third-degree relatives (such as half-aunt, half-nephew, first cousin) share 12.5% genes, and sexual relations between them is viewed differently in various cultures, from being discouraged to being socially acceptable....most prohibitions on incest extend the categories of prohibited relationships to affinity relationships such as in-law relations, step relations, relations through adoption, among others.
If Allen's relationship with Soon-Yi were legally incestuous, then they would have been ineligible for marriage under both US and Italian law. What's going on is that some people are trying to influence others' perception of perfectly legal behavior, by alleging that Allen's marriage is incestuous. If Allen has broken the law, it wasn't by marrying Soon-Yi.
umm.. what? How do you know that Dylan will never know the truth? How do you know she doesn't know the truth right now? Something either happened or it didn't.
FFS, of course she was their sister. All those kids were raised together in the same house and they call each other brothers and sisters. MLB are you going tell two random adopted kids of Mia's that they they aren't sisters because their mom was never married? They have the same mother, they grew up together as siblings.
Woody Allen had children who had Soon Yi as their sister. That is fucking creepy and a healthy adult would have had an emotional barrier to screwing around with his own kid's sister.
Seemingly creepy yes, incest no.
Yep. And really creepy, not seemingly creepy.
Eh, I don't know the man, I don't know Soon-Yi, and I don't know what kind of interaction they had before they got married, much less afterwards.
It's certainly none of my damn business to pass judgment on anything Allen's doing or has done which isn't illegal, since he'll never cross paths with me.
Further, passing negative judgment on Allen simply on account of his marriage would seem to call into question Soon-Yi's judgment as an adult, which is not anything I'm prepared to do without evidence that he had an inappropriate relationship with her while she was still a minor and without evidence that their relationship is abusive.
You're right. I don't know. I was trying to cover all eventualities, and I should have been more precise in my statement. If Allen did what he is accused of doing, then, certainly, Dylan is accurately reporting the event. But even so, we will never know the actual truth (short of, in this case, Allen making an admission) because the reports are so conflicting.
I say "if Allen did it" because there is the fact that seven year-old Dylan was caught in a crucible of tension and emotion, with a lot of obsessive negativity directed toward Allen from Mia about Allen's rather dubious (creepy) relationship with Soon-Yi. There certainly was some triggering event, and out of that, a trauma occurred, and she became a victim. But what was that event? Was it solely Allen? Was it solely Mia? Was there a confluence of events that amalgamated into what she was told to believe?
So while Dylan's account, as an adult of her experiences as a seven year old, can certainly be accurate, it's also possible that what Dylan is saying now, about what happened to her at the age of seven, was (and is) heavily influenced by the people around her - most specifically her mother and Allen together. The conflicting reports certainly reinforce this ... uncertainty.
Dylan is, truly, a victim. Just reading her letter demonstrates the emotional turmoil she has experienced, and is still struggling to come to terms with. But what is she a victim of? Allen's questionable (unhealthy? predatory?) attitude toward young girls? Her mother's questionable (unhealthy? manipulative?) attitude toward Allen? A combination of the two? There's no way for any of us to know, for certain. Dylan might know ... but she might also only know a version that is not precisely what happened. Either way, I hope she finds peace and closure (and, if necessary, justice).
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