Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion

[Riverside2233]

You know, when I heard that Jesse Eisenberg had been cast as Lex Luthor, I thought it was a big mistake. I had no idea that I would be so impressed by his performance. Superficially witty and quirky, yet dangerous and pathological in the end. I was impressed.

Yeah I definitely appreciate what Jesse Eisenberg was doing. I guess I didn't care for him in the first half of the movie but I did like what he was doing with the more psychotic and darker side of the character. I'm not going to lie I think I was the most bias about that character because I like what Michael Rosenbaum did with it in Smallville. Like I was saying I definitely liked it the second time around and I'm sure I will enjoy Wonder Woman a little bit more the second time because I tend to have overhyped these things before I see them.

 

[Csalem]

The ONLY gripe I had was the fact that the airfield in the final showdown had hardened aircraft shelters that weren't built until the 1980's. And that is ONLY because I have spent most of my adult life on NATO bases in Europe. I know the regular viewer would not even notice that they were 70 years too early.....lol.

I had a similar issue with the trailer for Dunkirk shown before Wonder Woman where some of the fishing boats in the harbour looked very modern and not WW2-like.

As for WW, I really enjoyed it but it did have some similarities to Captain America. When Chris Pine got on the plane I thoyght to myself Captain Steve Rogers may not survive.

 

[Tyberius]

Yeah I definitely appreciate what Jesse Eisenberg was doing. I guess I didn't care for him in the first half of the movie but I did like what he was doing with the more psychotic and darker side of the character. I'm not going to lie I think I was the most bias about that character because I like what Michael Rosenbaum did with it in Smallville. Like I was saying I definitely liked it the second time around and I'm sure I will enjoy Wonder Woman a little bit more the second time because I tend to have overhyped these things before I see them.

I think that Eisenberg played a better Luthor in the Social Network. That was the performance that I was expecting, but I did not get.

 

[JD]

Dead needs to be dead for it to matter. The DECU already has Superman coming back. Look how meaningless death is on Supernatural and Gotham.

OK, this one I will give you.

Don't get me wrong. I like GotG, but I don't think I'll ever be fully comfortable with the fact that the superhero genre which is supposed to be a kiddie genre has G->NC-17 grade content in it. I wish filmmakers only put what was necessary in. Most of the swearing is unnecessary and the sexuality that needs to be there can be softened via entendres/innuendo. Deadpool and Logan type affairs can remain the exception to the rule. I think Doctor Strange was the worst offender on this count, though, because I think he just casually drops a couple S or F bombs for no good reason.

The comics haven't been for kids in decades, so I don't think it's fair to expect the movies to be.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Here's my thinking on death in comics--it's weak writing to kill a character that is popular and has more to do.

But in comics, death is rarely permanent, and I am fine with that because it deprives us of future stories with that character, and allows writers to realize they shouldn't have killed that character in the first place.

The whole Superman thing was just terrible, but the DCEU has simply shown they have no clue about Superman. It stinks. I'm really hoping what they said, that a post-death Superman will actually be more like the Superman we know, but that will require a fairly major shift in writing and tone with the character.

They did do a very good job with Wonder Woman, which shows maybe there is something out there for DC movies. I hate that DC movies constantly have been bad. Justice League so far doesn't look that good from the trailers I have seen, and they have not won my trust yet.

 

[N-121973]

I am far from on expert on the history of aircraft but I am fairly certain no planes like that existed during the real WWI. Nothing that big or had that many engines would be used until the Second World War. Aircraft was still in its early development and limited to small one man fighters. What we saw in the film was a retro futuristic design. A more advanced craft using materials and designs of its time.

I think there may have been aircraft that size, but don't quote me. I know Handley-Page in Britain was working on a 'bloody paralyzer' of an aircraft at the time of the armistice.
As for the film itself. I gave it an 'A', I enjoyed it. I agree with those who think in any contemporary sequel, Chris Pine will play his own great grandson. The things that I think would have been nice to include would have been underscoring Diana's revelation about people's motivations following the fall of aries would have been to have juxtaposed the victory celebrations in Trafalgar Square with a young, Austrian-born Corporal who'd been invalided in a gas attack reacting to the news of the armistice in a hospital with anger and sadness.
The other thing I would have included would have been to suggest that Zeus & the other Greek Gods including Ares were survivors of the ship that Clark found buried beneath the ice and now resides in ruins in Metropolis. Perhaps it initially landed on Mount Olympus. It could have been a 'Who Mourns for Adonais?' scenario. I can even explain Ares' powers. He's lived for thousands of years and mastered all manner of abilities in that time. Just as Clark enjoyed a superior command and use of his abilities over Zod & co in Man of Steel because he'd been here longer maybe Aries had superior mastery over his powers over Clark. Think about the whole levitation of objects thing that Aries demonstrated in the final battle at the airbase, though scaled up how different is it to the effect of dust particles being 'whipped' up around Clark just before he takes off? Oh and the reason why Wonder Woman wasn't affected by the Kryptonite in BVS could be because she's half human and wasn't exposed to it directly.

 

[dahj]

The other thing I would have included would have been to suggest that Zeus & the other Greek Gods including Aries were survivors of the ship that Clark found buried beneath the ice

Zeus-El?

 

[marillion]

I think there may have been aircraft that size, but don't quote me. I know Handley-Page in Britain was working on a 'bloody paralyzer' of an aircraft at the time of the armistice.

Agreed.. The closest thing I could find was this Siemens-Schuckert R.VII

 

[JD]

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The other thing I would have included would have been to suggest that Zeus & the other Greek Gods including Aries were survivors of the ship that Clark found buried beneath the ice and now resides in ruins in Metropolis. Perhaps it initially landed on Mount Olympus. It could have been a 'Who Mourns for Adonais?' scenario. I can even explain Aries powers. He's lived for thousands of years and mastered all manner of abilities in that time. Just as Clark enjoyed a superior command and use of his abilities over Zod & co in Man of Steel because he'd been here longer maybe Aries had superior mastery over his powers over Clark. Think about the whole levitation of objects thing that Aries demonstrated in the final battle at the airbase, though scaled up how different is it to the effect of dust particles being 'whipped' up around Clark just before he takes off? Oh and the reason why Wonder Woman wasn't affected by the Kryptonite in BVS could be because she's half human and wasn't exposed to it directly.

Nah, I don't think that's necessary for something like this. That works fine for something like Star Trek, but I think them being gods works just fine here.

 

[crookeddy]

There are lot of posts in this thread and I don't have time to read them all, so forgive me if this is already debated here but...

This movie really did nothing to explain where Wonder Woman was since WW1. Toward the end of the movie they had a great opportunity to address that with the whole 'they don't deserve my help' bit. And then we learn Aries is real, and has been behind some bad shit, and WW fights him and kills him and... just gives up on the world after that? Allows the rise of Hitler and the holocaust? And waits until a giant monster attacks Gotham to make her return?

I think this movie completely failed as a prequel because of this.

 

[DigificWriter]

There are lot of posts in this thread and I don't have time to read them all, so forgive me if this is already debated here but...

This movie really did nothing to explain where Wonder Woman was since WW1. Toward the end of the movie they had a great opportunity to address that with the whole 'they don't deserve my help' bit. And then we learn Aries is real, and has been behind some bad shit, and WW fights him and kills him and... just gives up on the world after that? Allows the rise of Hitler and the holocaust? And waits until a giant monster attacks Gotham to make her return?

I think this movie completely failed as a prequel because of this.

The film didn't need to explain why she turned her back on mankind and their affairs after World War 1 because she didn't do so.

People made assumptions about the meaning of her statement to Bruce at Clark's funeral, assumptions that this film dispelled.

 

[dahj]

This movie really did nothing to explain where Wonder Woman was since WW1.

She saw humans being capable of both great evil and great good, and once free from Ares' influence she decided to step back and let mankind choose its own destiny.

 

[crookeddy]

The film didn't need to explain why she turned her back on mankind and their affairs after World War 1 because she didn't do so.

People made assumptions about the meaning of her statement to Bruce at Clark's funeral, assumptions that this film dispelled.

She saw humans being capable of both great evil and great good, and once free from Ares' influence she decided to step back and let mankind choose its own destiny.

These two answers seem to contradict. Was this supposed to be open to interpretation?

 

[DigificWriter]

She didn't literally "walk away from mankind"; she just simply didn't interfere in their affairs after WW1, so, no, there's not a contradiction there.

 

[crookeddy]

She didn't literally "walk away from mankind"; she just simply didn't interfere in their affairs after WW1, so, no, there's not a contradiction there.

It's very hard for me to believe that the character we were presented in this movie would allow the holocaust to happen...

And the only thing that could get her to "interfere" is a giant monster attacking Gotham?

 

[DigificWriter]

We don't know that she didn't contribute to the war effort during WW2 in some capacity.

We also don't know what, exactly, motivated her to get involved in the fight with Doomsday, although we do know that it wasn't what we as audiences assumed it was.

 

[crookeddy]

Another question: What did she do to the woman in the blue dress at the gala? Did she kill her?

 

[JD]

Probably just knocked her out and tied her up in the woods somewhere.

We don't know that she didn't contribute to the war effort during WW2 in some capacity.

We also don't know what, exactly, motivated her to get involved in the fight with Doomsday, although we do know that it wasn't what we as audiences assumed it was.

At this point I don't think we should really assume anything about the gap between WW and BvS.

 

[dahj]

Another question: What did she do to the woman in the blue dress at the gala? Did she kill her?

There's other ways you can get a woman out of a dress you know, especially if you're a charming woman who spent several thousand years in the exclusive company of other women...
(Fun fact, she was listed in the credits as Fausta Grables)

 

[N-121973]

Zeus-El?

More Ze-Us, which over time got contracted to 'Zeus'. And Hera is perfectly consistent with Lara or Kara .