After all the events of Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis recently, with characters' histories being extensively rewritten, does anyone know what the early years of Batman and Wonder Woman are like now? Are they still like they were in the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot back in the 80s (they way they should be IMO) or are there differences? That said, I have to say that I intensely dislike the way the writers at DC have retconned so much of Superman's early days in Man of Steel, et al, out of continuity. The work of John Byrne and his contemporaries was brilliant, but now, thanks to recent events, it's worthless.
Wonder Woman and Batman's current continuity
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Batman's continuity was revised with "Infinite Crisis" where Joe Chill was arrested on the same night he committed the Wayne murders. That's pretty much the biggest thing that has changed with Bruce that I can think of. I still think Diana's origin is pretty much the same.
I'm not sure it's necessary to pin down their full backstories right away. Better to keep it vague so future writers aren't locked into anything and have plenty of room to improvise.
After all, you don't really need a full timeline of Batman's early years to appreciate his latest battle with the Joker or whomever. But if you keep things loose you can invent old girlfriends, enemies, and mentors as needed . . .
After all, you don't really need a full timeline of Batman's early years to appreciate his latest battle with the Joker or whomever. But if you keep things loose you can invent old girlfriends, enemies, and mentors as needed . . .
They didn't trash anything. They went from a previously very restrictive model that only acknowledged the 20 years of stories since the first Crisis to a model that tried to embrace everything that came before.
Batman, every story from Bob Kane to the present has happened in one form or another. so 60 years of continuity squeezed into the 20 years of Batman's career.
Superman, some of the Silver and Bronze Age stories happened such as the stuff with the Legion and Lex from Smallville.
Wonder Woman, continuity remains unchanged. I think she got rebooted and unrebooted by JMS and DC respectively.
Batman, every story from Bob Kane to the present has happened in one form or another. so 60 years of continuity squeezed into the 20 years of Batman's career.
Superman, some of the Silver and Bronze Age stories happened such as the stuff with the Legion and Lex from Smallville.
Wonder Woman, continuity remains unchanged. I think she got rebooted and unrebooted by JMS and DC respectively.
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I imagine it's all up for grabs. They can use what they need and ignore the rest--without having to figure out every last minute of their early years right now.
At least, that's how I'd handle it. Leave yourself plenty of room to play around with. As long as an old story doesn't directly contradict a new one, just leave it on the shelf until you need it.
Diana is in a weird place right now thanks to the JMS reboot...Superman is supposed to meet the "new" Wonder Woman in an upcoming issue of "Superman" but Grant Morrison essentially ignored what he did and used the traditional character in The Return of Bruce Wayne and I believe Dan Jurgens did the same thing in The Time Vanishers as well lol.
Both of these books were written months before the reboot.
Right...keep forgetting that.
Of course they did.
My view is that the new storylines don't trash anything - any more than a bad film remake trashes the original. The originals still exist - they can still be enjoyed.
As long as Diana's early years with Julie and Vanessa Kapatelis and her battles with Ares, the Cheetah and Circe as chronicled by George Perez are still in continuity, I'd be happy.
I really liked the early post-Crisis Superman stories, which is why I'm somewhat unhappy DC have altered so much, like having Kal-El and Lex Luthor's rivalry develop in a much different way (The original had Lex allow a party on his luxury cruiseliner to be hijacked by terrorists so he could see Superman in action, and Supes subsequently arrested him for putting his guest's lives in danger), and a totally different origin for Metallo, where he was a soldier experimented on by Lois Lane's father, instead of a criminal augmented by a crazy scientist who thought Kal-El was the vanguard of an alien invasion. I feel bad for the writers of those stories, to have so much of what they wrote rendered obselete.
I really liked the early post-Crisis Superman stories, which is why I'm somewhat unhappy DC have altered so much, like having Kal-El and Lex Luthor's rivalry develop in a much different way (The original had Lex allow a party on his luxury cruiseliner to be hijacked by terrorists so he could see Superman in action, and Supes subsequently arrested him for putting his guest's lives in danger), and a totally different origin for Metallo, where he was a soldier experimented on by Lois Lane's father, instead of a criminal augmented by a crazy scientist who thought Kal-El was the vanguard of an alien invasion. I feel bad for the writers of those stories, to have so much of what they wrote rendered obselete.
^ I have never got why you think previous stories are some how negated by new and revised stuff? Can't you accept the fact that all stories are valid or do you hold on to your own personal continuity? The creation of hypertime really makes all of these stories validated and really if you've read them and enjoyed them in the past that doesn't mean they suddenly magically vanish!! There's no reason for your continuity cop mentality.
I just read JL:GL #15 and they directly addressed the issue. Nobody in the DCU remembers WW except a few heroes, so basically there was a Max Lord style mind-wipe that erased everyone's memories of her except a few heroes. So she's still around and the same somebody just pulled a magic trick that will be reversed once JMS goes away 
As I stated Superman is about to encounter her for the first time which should be an interesting issue.
I just read JL:GL #15 and they directly addressed the issue. Nobody in the DCU remembers WW except a few heroes, so basically there was a Max Lord style mind-wipe that erased everyone's memories of her except a few heroes. So she's still around and the same somebody just pulled a magic trick that will be reversed once JMS goes away
Was it Mephisto?
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I miss Man of Steel too, except for the part where Lex Luthor was all rapey.
Although like AY said, I can easily pretend it's still effective.
I think it should be faced up to that Clark as a LoSH member is a bad idea for the character of Superman, whether it works for the Legion or not.
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