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Wonder Woman (2017)

^Yeah, the WWI setting is actually one of the things that has me most interested in WW. WWII has been done so many times before, not only with regular movies, but in the first Captain America for superheroes, and even in the first season of Wonder Woman's TVs, so I'm happy they decided to pick a different period for the movie.
 
It will be interesting how they handle the WW1 material. In Captain America they basically played the "Gung-Ho Watch Us Go" attitude towards war and then quickly settled into the comic book SF story.

Given Diana's comment in BvS it would be really interesting (and a more honest take on "Grim" and "Dark" stylings) if they actually put her in the trenches, for her to truly witness the horror of mankind at its worst. Give her something to want to turn her back on humanity for a century, and show the audience that the stake and realities of war have effects on everyone around them, even metahumans.

I hope they just don't use it as a setting, rather an integral part of the plot and the formation of Diana's personality and outlook. It could give a nice through-line into Justice League where she can be seen to begin to place trust back in humanity.

Hugo - still cautiously optomistic. Foolish man.
 
So far from what I have seen of the trailers Diana appears to be just Steve-Roger-ing around some, admittedly impressive looking, set pieces, that happen to be in some trenches.

I was hoping for some more grounded drama of living in and dealing with the atrocities of that war, which could push her away from humanity for 100 more years. They have written that bit into BvS, I thought for a more emotional reason. The trailers have not sold that to me yet.

Hugo - insert guitar solo hero theme music here
 
I'm hoping for a bit more action/adventure and a bit less dull, depressing darkness in the movie myself. Maybe have one event at the very end that shows why she basically left the world, but I'm hoping that overall WW is a bit more exciting and adventurous then dark, grounded and gritty.
 
I think it's a touch egregious to play a fun action adventure with WW1 as a backdrop only.

If that is the case, then it is nothing more than set dressing (as pretty as it might be in the trailers).

If you want to use a specific, exceptionally traumatic piece of history to play your story through, be honest with it and instead reflect it through your story and characters.

It was my major gripe about Captain America. Swashbuckling and punching Nazi's is fine, as long as you put some real life texture along side it. Otherwise, it's all just window dressing.

Hugo - I don't want to kill anyone. I don't like bullies; I don't care where they're from.
 
I'm fine with the war just being a setting. Captain America was a great movie, it didn't need some war grimness in it. You don't need to make a movie set in a war dark and gritty. That's all the DCEU has done so far anyway. WW needs to be a breath of fresh air for the franchise, not just another dreary, depressing film.
 
I think there's plenty of room for balance...keep Wonder Woman in action while also underscoring the futile nature of that war. That said, I don't have much faith at this point in the ability of the DC movie folks to successfully strike that balance.
 
The Old Mixer said:
I think there's plenty of room for balance...keep Wonder Woman in action while also underscoring the futile nature of that war. That said, I don't have much faith at this point in the ability of the DC movie folks to successfully strike that balance.
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Yeah, you're right. Its not like I think the nature of war doesn't have a place in the film. I'd just like a balance, and not have the whole film get bogged down. I also don't have much faith in the DCEU people to do it, but since Zach Snyder wasn't involved with the movie I'm keeping an open mind. I really want a good WW movie, so I'll stay hopeful (at least until it right before it comes out and reviews start coming in :shifty:).
 
Hugo Rune said:
I was hoping for some more grounded drama of living in and dealing with the atrocities of that war
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From an article in Empire Magazine:
Jenkins also explained the World War I setting. “My approach was to focus on telling the story of mechanised war and how that would look to a god visiting our world for the first time. I wanted the audience to understand the horrors that a war on this scale makes possible and how shocking that would be to someone who comes with a strong sense of honor and justice. She doesn’t realise yet just how senselessly dark the world can be.”
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Hm. That sounds a lot like something Snyder would say (which is definitely a bad thing). Still, unless we get a really bad trailer I'm going to stay cautiously optimistic about WW, at least until the reviews come out.
 
Hugo Rune said:
If you want to use a specific, exceptionally traumatic piece of history to play your story through, be honest with it and instead reflect it through your story and characters.
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It was my major gripe about Captain America. Swashbuckling and punching Nazi's is fine, as long as you put some real life texture along side it. Otherwise, it's all just window dressing.
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Fantasy set in or among a real world historical event is not a documentary. The events are used to provide the environment that develops the true nature of the character. However, being fantasy characters, said fantasy story takes center stage--not the specifics of a real event background, otherwise, it would be just another war story. The conflict has to be larger than anything in life--including the war--something that makes the superhero rise to the occasion and prove why they are unique characters capable of handling the kind of events native to their genre. That does not prevent a few character comments on the situations around them--that's always present in superhero fiction--but its not the bigger message.

If Wonder Woman executes this as well as Captain America: The First Avenger, I will be more than satisfied.
 
dodge said:
From an article in Empire Magazine:
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Sounds good to me. I liked the tone we got in the trailers, and if the whole movie matches that tone, and is able to incorporate the elements Jenkins talks about in the quote I'll be pretty happy. I don't think the movie should be all dark, horrors of war kind of stuff, but it should incorporate some of that stuff, especially since we known from BvS that what happened in WWI was enough to drive Diana away from mankind for a century.
 
I do hope that it includes some serous look at the horrors of war, because that's something WWI could be a really good setting for. Plus, I'm still presuming that Ares is going to be the big bad in some way, and what better setting could there possibly be for confronting the personification of pointless brutal war that would drive Diana away for 100 years?
 
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