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Wonder Woman (2017)

JD said:
I've never understood why somebody would do an adaptation of something, but then change it until it was unrecognizable as the source. Wouldn't it be easier to just create your own thing? This goes for old stuff like WW, and newer stuff like the upcoming Lucifer series.
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I understand it, even if I'm not always crazy about it.

The goal is to reach the broadest audience possible with the show or film, not just devoted fans of the source material, which is often a niche audience. The studios' theory is that normal people don't generally read comics or sci-fi books, so reaching them requires finessing the daylights out of the material.
 
JD said:
I've never understood why somebody would do an adaptation of something, but then change it until it was unrecognizable as the source.
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Because stories evolve. Creativity isn't about something springing fully-formed from your head, it's about starting with an idea and seeing where it leads and what you can build from it. Sometimes it leads someplace completely different from where you started. Even if you start out planning to do a fairly close adaptation, it may evolve into something radically new as you work your way through the problems and possibilities. Creativity means taking existing things as your raw material and transforming them into something else. Sometimes the transformation is more extreme than at others -- like the difference between one artist doing a realistic portrait of a model and a different artist doing a cubist portrait of the same model. The source material is just the starting point.

Of course, when dealing with something like TV or film adaptations, you have to keep in mind that there's more than one master to be served. The screenwriter or producer may want to do an adaptation that's true to a given work, but the studio or network may want to do a movie or show that fits into a familiar, proven formula that's likely to be profitable. So what results is a compromise, something that adapts the pre-existing character to that cozy, crowd-pleasing formula to start with... but then, over time, tries to bring in more of the essence of the source material. Like how Arrow started out as a gritty urban crime drama about a vigilante but has now become a series about a colorfully costumed and masked superhero and his team dealing with superpowers and supernatural phenomena. I expect the same to go for Lucifer -- they had to conform it to a standard TV formula to convince the network to air it, and they'll surely start out very safe and formulaic (inasmuch as a show whose hero is literally the Devil can be considered "safe"), but will probably try to bring in more of the comic's ideas and essence over time if they get the chance.
 
In the clip I think they said "training her whole life".

Is Diana twenty three in 1917, or two thousand and twenty three?

And it's a little weird that they would make her so young in her origin, if the conceit is that she can look the same age nine decades after World War 1.

PS

Clay baby or flesh and blood?
 
Historically (mythically?) in the real world, Amazons would just march into a village, rape all the men, and 9 months later, kill any boy babies that were accidentally born... Which an episode of Xena totally backs up.

Precrisis, if a man's foot touched Amazon soil, their immortality would go tits up.

The obvious work around on that, is that for whatever breeding stock they have in kennels someplace on the island, to replace the dead, their feet and legs have been cut off.
 
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I LIKE that. This is definitely on my radar. My interest was piqued glimpsing her in the BvS clips, but this buzzes my interest further.
 
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Nice clip. After seeing this and the new Suicide Squad Trailer, maybe it's time to get on the DC Bandwagon and off of Marvels.
 
Nerys Myk said:
I like to ride both.
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Yeah that's true. I was a little sour on Avengers: AoU, but Ant-Man, Daredevil, and Jessica Jones were really cool so maybe that was too harsh a statement. Both Companies seem to be taking over the movie world though. ;)
 
Christopher said:
I think that's changing. Characters like Carol Danvers and Kamala Khan are proving very popular. And I think Marvel has a broader bench. Maybe they don't have a single female character who stands out as much as Wonder Woman, but DC hardly has any female characters other than Wonder Woman who have comparable star quality, and the only ones who come close are derivatives of male heroes such as Supergirl or Batgirl.
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Kamala Khan is doing better than Carol. Carol is going through another rebranding I think. Carol's profile has been expanded to a more WW type role (existing on multiple books in leadership positions) but she's not catching fire like Marvel had hoped. Kamala is doing great with the 60's Spider-Man type story; young teen struggling with her private life and super hero life.

I did have a chuckle when you referenced Supergirl and Batgirl as being derivatives of their male counterparts, because Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel are derivatives of Marvel's Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell). Haha. I know what you meant though.

I'd say it's not so disproportionate though. Characters like Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Black Canary, Starfire, Katana, Zatanna and Raven are very popular and have decent exposure. DC is trying to make Vixen happen, with her web series and expanded role on the JLA, but they've been trying this 06 to do that. Vixen and Hawkgirl haven't really broken out.

At Marvel though, I don't think there is anyone else with the profile of Carol and Kamala. 20-30 years ago, it would've been easy to point to Storm, Invisible Woman, Jean Grey, Rogue, or She-Hulk as Marvel's leading ladies. Today though, the X-Men don't matter like they used to, they keep killing Jean, the FF was cancelled after years of being in decline, and idk where She-Hulk is. The whole Hulk concept has been ruined since they've made so many in recent years.

Both could do better but resources are limited and imagination seems to be limited too. I have ideas, but I don't work for either company. Bummer.
 
She Hulk's book just got cancelled, the stories were good, but the art was weird, but the backdrop where she worked is being recycled for the new (female friendly) Hellcat ongoing which is only happening because of Netflix's Jessica Jones a pessimistic person might think.
 
It's about money in the beginning.

Focus on one brand, forget the rest, ignore the fuck out of it, or you're eating dog food for dinner.

I sold all my DC comics once.

3 years later I bought them all back, or tried to.

It was annoying replacing stuff I was positive that I had already bought once before, usually for considerably less.
 
I like the version of the origin they're going for, but I am still waiting to see if they'll bork it up.
 
Greg Cox said:
Exactly. I've never understood the "Marvel vs. DC" thing. As a fan, why can't I enjoy both? Wanting to see WONDER WOMAN doesn't mean I have to stop wanting to see DOCTOR STRANGE or whatever. They're not rival sports teams or political parties. :)
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But they are rival businesses, and as a consumer of their product I have a right to decide which I prefer giving my money to, and in my life I've found I get more for my bucks from Marvel than I get from DC, and the movie-verses so far have been no exception. ( And I frankly can't stand it when people act like I'm an unthinking troglodyte just because I have a preference. You want to sing the praises of both? Go ahead. For me, Make Mine Marvel.)
 
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