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Wonder Woman (2017)

Gov Kodos said:
She was also a leader of an international terrorist organization so that would make for a topical villain. However, looking through her villains, Dr Poison also used masks and dressed in green. She worked for the Nazis, too, so she could be transplanted back into WW1 to work for the Germans with the use of chemical warfare and all quite easily.
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Dr Poison came to my mind as well.
 
eyeresist said:
Pretty sure he's not the only one who noticed it.
But I think the whole poster design is a bit clumsy. No good reason not to show her face, and the tagline is weak.

Impressive trailer though.
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Come on this is NONSENSE. I'm pretty sure anything other than a mug shot would've caused this reaction.
 
Nerys Myk said:
The light source and the position of her body is why her face is in shadows. Makes sense to me.
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You're kinda getting the cause and effect backward there. They chose the lighting and the position of her body in order to produce that effect. As I said, it seems to be trendy in book covers and posters these days to hide characters' faces, but I don't feel it was the best design choice here.
 
Christopher said:
Maybe. Judging from the reactions I'm seeing elsewhere, some people (mostly women) see it, while others (including some women) don't seem to notice. So it's not as blatant as something like, say, an Avengers poster where all the men are in heroic tough-guy poses and Black Widow is sticking her ass at the camera. Still, there are some people who find it distracting, and it could've easily been tweaked a little to diminish that -- make the costume a bit less molded, turn the torso a bit more toward the camera, show more of the face and eyes, any or all of those things.

I mean, sexualization issues aside, why not showcase Wonder Woman's face? She's a character we admire for her compassion, her kindness, her wisdom, her strength of character, her reassuring presence. Those are things that would be best conveyed by an image that showcases her face, her eyes, her smile. It is a very aesthetically pleasing poster what with the colors and brightness and all, but having her face in darkness and her eyes unseen takes something away from it. It feels incomplete.

I dunno, it seems to be a general trend among graphic artists these days to de-emphasize faces. I heard recently that a lot of book covers these days are doing compositions like that, focusing on the torso and cutting off the face, on the theory that it lets readers imagine the characters however they wish -- or maybe on the theory that it saves money on model or actor likeness rights. None of that would apply here, but maybe it's just a case of a graphic designer falling back on a common formula. I just don't think it's ideal here.
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Not sure if I got the right quote...but maybe in the long-term scale, and most certainly the TV show, Wonder WOman was known for her compassion. But with the DC Film Universe, the emphasis seems to be on her warrior traits...I mean, I think she will be the one to help bring Batman back from vengeance, but she's shown quite clearly sh has no qualms attacking and killing bad guys.

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Christopher said:
You're kinda getting the cause and effect backward there. They chose the lighting and the position of her body in order to produce that effect. As I said, it seems to be trendy in book covers and posters these days to hide characters' faces, but I don't feel it was the best design choice here.
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So it's following an artistic trend... are all of those other examples trending toward sexualizing a woman, or more general. I woud imagine, at least for books, they keep the face off so that they can cast whoever they want in the role, and not be tied down to the cover. With WW, they might want to focus on the character...so, like Guy Gardner's example, people don't get confused with ynda Carter, or go negative because she doesn't look like Carter.

TREK_GOD_1 said:
Well, this is Wonder Woman. For 75 years, her costume--form fitting to varying degrees--was as much a part of the character's identity as anything else about her. By the time the The New Original Wonder Woman / The New Adventures of Wonder Woman was a TV fixture well into the "second wave feminism" era, there were adult women and young girls that still found Carter's version a significant role model, even in an allegedly visually sexualized costume that became a cultural hallmark.

Many accepted Carter's costume and body image as part (not all) of the power of Wonder Woman, and were not storming the gates of ABC/CBS, pitchfork in hand. As much as women had to fight on several levels during the 1970s, the Carter Wonder Woman did not receive as much criticism as the more aggressive attacks on actresses that were thought to be bigger examples of the sexualized image (ex. Suzanne Sommers, Farrah Fawcett, et al.). The lesson of that period is that a costume is not some board room decision by a gang of sticky, horny Roger Ailes types. The costume and its form has been central to the character's look, and personality. If the poster only focused on the breast region alone, some would have an argument, but most of her body is featured, with her sword a prominent object, clearly speaking to her warrior status so well-introduced in Dawn of Justice.
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I am with TREK_GOD_1on this one...definitely following the trajectory set up in B v S (which has been well received by many)

JD said:
I understand in general what you are saying about Lynda Carter, but Gal Gadot is not Lynda Carter, so I don't see why we expect should expect them to base their promotion of this movie off of her.
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It's been a while since I've read WW comics...but the versions since the TV...hasn't she been more warrior-like and less "compassionate" (i.e. less in the image of Lynda Carter's version)? I mean, it's a great aspect that would be great to carry over to some degree... but Gal's Wonder WOman will be different in a lot of ways...ways that I think will make sense, and appreciated for this version...but Compassion will not be the top of the list as it was with Lynda Carter
 
Morpheus 02 said:
It's been a while since I've read WW comics...but the versions since the TV...hasn't she been more warrior-like and less "compassionate" (i.e. less in the image of Lynda Carter's version)? I mean, it's a great aspect that would be great to carry over to some degree... but Gal's Wonder WOman will be different in a lot of ways...ways that I think will make sense, and appreciated for this version...but Compassion will not be the top of the list as it was with Lynda Carter
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The problem there is that you're treating those as mutually exclusive traits. What's defined Wonder Woman in the comics for a long time is that she's both a warrior and a peacemaker. She chooses compassion and peace when she can, and she tries to teach and promote those values, but when fighting becomes necessary as a last resort, she's the most effective fighter you'll ever encounter. It does look like that's the interpretation the movie is going with, from what I've read about it.
 
Compassion to those who are capable receiving compassion.

Compassion and mercy are not exactly the same thing either.
 
Christopher said:
The problem there is that you're treating those as mutually exclusive traits. What's defined Wonder Woman in the comics for a long time is that she's both a warrior and a peacemaker. She chooses compassion and peace when she can, and she tries to teach and promote those values, but when fighting becomes necessary as a last resort, she's the most effective fighter you'll ever encounter. It does look like that's the interpretation the movie is going with, from what I've read about it.
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How does that say it's mutually exclusive? I am just saying that a primary quality of a previous adaptation of Wonder WOman, where the compassion is strong, is not the same as the new movie. I am NOTG saying she'll be callous, but the fighting will be highlighted...and the ad you've complained about seems to emphasize this.

My 11 year old daughter sure did NOT notice the breasts, but DEFINITELY noted the warrior imaging.
 
Morpheus 02 said:
How does that say it's mutually exclusive?
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You said, and I quote, "hasn't she been more warrior-like and less "compassionate"...?" Thus explicitly formulating it as more of one equalling less of the other. That is missing the whole point of Wonder Woman as she's been characterized for the past few decades: That she is simultaneously the most compassionate person and the most capable warrior you'd ever meet. She embodies the ultimate of both attributes, and having more of one does not diminish her capacity for the other in any way.
 
Christopher said:
You're kinda getting the cause and effect backward there. They chose the lighting and the position of her body in order to produce that effect. As I said, it seems to be trendy in book covers and posters these days to hide characters' faces, but I don't feel it was the best design choice here.
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Of course they chose the lighting and position. It's the image they wanted. Dunno if it's trendy or not.
 
Are you guys really getting into a semantic argument about a film nobody has seen yet? Because that sounds like a totally worthwhile use of your time and energy.
 
So, ah... how does Diana know English, let alone that this guy on the beach speaks it? Does she have the magic power to speak all languages? That kinda bugged me with Thor in Thor also, but at least that movie was goofy through and through. Here in this teaser, it just looks sloppy. Hope the movie clarifies.
 
Gaith said:
So, ah... how does Diana know English, let alone that this guy on the beach speaks it? Does she have the magic power to speak all languages? That kinda bugged me with Thor in Thor also, but at least that movie was goofy through and through. Here in this teaser, it just looks sloppy. Hope the movie clarifies.
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You get bugged by the oddest things. :lol:
 
^ A childhood bilingual education can foster strangeness such as creativity and critical thinking. :p
 
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