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Women in Star Trek

This is my pet subject (and women in sci fi more generally). Modern Trek, in spite of professing equality, has repeatedly failed to show this on screen. They suffer from what I like to deem 'token female syndrome' of having a couple of high profile women amidst a sea of men (although not as bad as Star Wars). Try counting the number of male and female characters. The Federation is just as bad as all the aliens - check out the ranks of the women who do appear to see how the chain of command promotes equal opportunities - I bet you will see stark inequalities at the top of the chain even if you ignore TOS.

TOS was actually less sexist for its time than modern Trek because it was quite avant garde to portray female officers at all. Unfortunately, they were too often portrayed as over-emotional and not very good at their jobs - sorry, I'll rephrase that - being too easily distracted by emotional concerns. Partly because Uhura was black, they avoided romantic involvements for her and generally portrayed her as being incredibly good at her job.

One TOS episode that portrays the good and the bad is the City on the Edge of Forever. They place Uhura in charge of the security search team (which was subversive as it placed a black woman in charge of a team of white men), but then Uhura goes all girly and confesses that she is frightened later on.

Another great character is Dr Ann Mulhall in Return to Tomorrow. She is an engineer, an astrobiologist, and a lieutenant-commander (making her the highest-ranking woman in TOS). She comes across as extremely capable but then spends much of the episode possessed by a much girlier character!

Our first female security officer is seen in TAS (sorry - I don't know the episode). Tash Yar came along in TNG but seemed to spend time worrying about her femininity (the Naked Now) and I think she was the ONLY female security officer we see until season 4! When she leaves she is replaced by a man but that's ok because they can introduce another character to replace her, right? Yup - a bartender. Guinan is great but she hardly strikes a blow for feminism. We often see peripheral female characters outside the command structure (Keiko, Kassidy, Kes (although she is balanced by Neelix), Seven etc) but this may just be a bi-product because we have more men within the command structure and they don't want every character relationship to be between officers (so you have Kira and Bariel in DS9 for comparison).

The first season of TNG tried a bit with a female chief engineer alongside Yar (McDougal I think - who came across as rather stupid) but when the actress was unavailable to reprise the role we had a succession of men before Geordi was passed the role.

There were a few minor recurring female guest stars before Ro Laren came along. Her character marked a change as a major character for whom her background was far more important than her gender. This was carried across into DS9 where we have lots of admirable female roles but still outnumbered 2:1 by the men. Admiral Nechayev in TNG was an extremely good character too she was very business-like in her approach to command, often shown to tow the party line and follow orders even if she agreed with Picard i.e. professional and not emotional - in fact Natalia Nogulich's performance is icily authoritative! Kai Opaka and Kai Winn in DS9 were pretty impressive characters too.

Voyager fumbled the ball a bit though. Personally I loved Janeway as a character but nobody noticed that she only wanted men in her command team: she has a male XO, male security chief, male chief helmsman, male chief ops, and wanted Lt Carey as her chief engineer (she was against Belanna's promotion initially). The CMO who was killed was also a man (although admittedly the original chief helmsman was a woman and we don't know about the original chief engineer but still - she isn't a very inclusive captain). Seven was cool (borg implants and all if you know what I'm saying) but she was almost a man and it was the decision to axe Kes instead of Kim that led to the character we got, which is so strange as replacing Kim with a woman would have balanced the cast properly.

Enterprise took a step backwards by only having two women, one of whom was not part of the Federation command structure initially. Very few of the recurring characters in the show were women at all.

The most recent Trek film took yet another step backwards. Its hands were tied somewhat by the sexism of TOS but made little effort to portray any of the high profile female characters that did exist. So we have Uhura (now also a love interest) two mothers, and a student in her underwear to fly the flag for feminism. Pike's female first officer is replaced by Spock, the Vulcan leadership is not represented by T'Pau, and two of the three recurring characters from TOS (Chapel and Rand) were absent (apart from Chapel's name check). This could be because the aging actresses were sidelined (due to various factors) in the more recent movies (and Rand's re-introduction in TMP never quite took hold).

Check the bar against the modern re-interpretation of Battlestar Galactica. I will admit I haven't done a head count but there seems to be a much more even balance of males and females in the show (and avid fans complained because some male characters had been replaced with females). I think Trek should aim for this level of inclusiveness by focusing on an almost entirely female supporting cast (for speaking roles). I think if they did this people would be surprised to find that the male/female ratio would still only just about break even.

Hope that helps!
 
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This series portrays women as sex objects. They are nothing more than subordinates or beautiful things to look at. They did try and make an attempt at giving women a sense of power and command within this series, however the lead female Vulcan who had taken command of the ship (on certain occasions) was uninspiring and lifeless to say the least (mostly in part because of the acting and the scripts).
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Women were displayed equally as both both beautiful objects to be loved and nurturers.
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Voyager sends mixed messages. On the one hand you have Janeway who has the even tempered, perfect brains to gut ratio that makes a great Star Fleet captain. But then you have 7 of 9 who's a sex object. Haven't watched too much voyager though so I might be overstepping with this analysis.

I would have thought the first role of a sex object would be to have sex? Do you agree?
 
I will definitely keep TOS in its context. When I first started watching it a year ago I was amazed at how well the show treated Uhura, very ahead of its time. I found a quote from one of the first female astronauts that cited Uhura as her motivation for joining the space program.

Ooh ooh - not only did Mae Jemison cite Nichelle Nichols as her insipiration, she appears in the TNG episode Second Chances.

Whoopi Goldberg also cited Nichelle as her inspiration. Apparently she cried out to her family, "There's a black woman on TV and she isn't a maid!" :lol:
 
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I was watching a documentary about ST and Marin Luther King's wife said he saw the show one evening and told his kids they should be watching it. The egalitarianism in ST was unheard of in the 60s. Not just sexual but racial stereotyping was the norm.
 
Voyager sends mixed messages. On the one hand you have Janeway who has the even tempered, perfect brains to gut ratio that makes a great Star Fleet captain. But then you have 7 of 9 who's a sex object. Haven't watched too much voyager though so I might be overstepping with this analysis.

I would have thought the first role of a sex object would be to have sex? Do you agree?

No. Within in the confines of Star Trek's take on sexuality, the women are often not noticed to be sexual creatures to most of the people around them despite it being obvious to the audience. That's the MO.

No one seemed to notice Troi in the catsuit in the ST Universe. She was told to put on a uniform to comply with regulations, not because she was too sexually distracting, but everyone watching noticed the suit for what it was.

It's not completely unique to Star Trek, but it's a Star Trek hallmark that sexy women are normally fairly non-sexual on screen and, when it does happen, it's ordinarily under some extreme condition.
 
Actually this raises an interesting point. Although it looks camp and sexist now (and indellibly iconic), it was the actresses on TOS who pushed for mini-skirt uniforms as opposed to the original trouser uniforms seen in the two pilot episodes. At the time, the short skirt was seen as a sign of liberation - they had it and they wanted to flaunt it.

Now ask Jeri Ryan if she wanted to wear a girdle and stilletto heels. That was a cynical attempt at boosting the ratings by appealing to the lowest common denomenator (both of them). It's interesting to see how sexiness went from being empowerment to a strait-jacket.
 
I think our cultural attitude towards sex, in general, that came about thanks to the 60's and 70's made the expectation of less-is-more in female clothing yet another way for those who would oppress to do just that.

As things (ideas, fads, statements, etc) become the norm, those who oppress find ways to make those things that were once used to liberate into a bizarre twisted representation of what it once was.

No, Jeri never had a good word to say about any of her normal costumes and with good reason.
 
Another interesting point is that Marina Sirtis said that it was only after they put her in a standard uniform that she felt the writers suddenly realised that she was a senior Starfleet officer and not just the ship's counselor. It was only really at this stage that Troi started to be given stories that didn't relate specifically to her role as counselor or her empathy.

Off topic: She fared a bit better in Season one where she functions more as a diplomatic aide to Picard but that role was sidelined from season two most probably because the much hated (by me) receptive telepathy/empathy can ruin a good story. They should have made it projective telepathy like Callie in Blakes 7 or limited in scope like in B5 and left the rest of her insights to her training and she would have been a character we could have admired a lot more.
 
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Another interesting point is that Marina Sirtis said that it was only after they put her in a standard uniform that she felt the writers suddenly realised that she was a senior Starfleet officer and not just the ship's counselor. It was only really at this stage that Troi started to be given stories that didn't relate specifically to her role as counselor or her empathy.

This is what I'm talking about when I say the people in the ST Universe never noticed what those of us outside the universe did. There wasn't a character on the bridge that didn't know she was Senior Officer, but the writers had problems with it because of how they chose to portray her on screen.

It's a bizarre situation, really.
 
I was watching a documentary about ST and Marin Luther King's wife said he saw the show one evening and told his kids they should be watching it. The egalitarianism in ST was unheard of in the 60s. Not just sexual but racial stereotyping was the norm.
Actually Trek TOS came along at a time when racial segregation and stereotyping were starting to break down. The series I Spy had debuted a year earlier, with Bill Cosby in a co-starring role. Many movies were starting to feature black actors in non-race-specifc roles, even if a lot of those were the “token Negro.” And making the crew of the Enterprise one-third female was a radical concept at a time when women in the armed forces were relegated to non-combat roles, and the very idea of female crew on a military vessel was -- well, something out of science fiction.
 
Since it is a women's studies course, if you just want to have some fun, mention in class how in TOS the women's skirts should have been shorter, and it showed how well women in the future will be able to pour coffee to their men who will naturally still be in charge. See what a response you get. ;)
 
Hi everyone,
I'm taking a women's studies class and I've decided to write a research paper about women (and more generally gender) on Star Trek. I'm going to look at the roles of women on TOS, TNG and Voyager since those series all follow the same basic format. These roles of women change throughout the franchise and reflect ideals about women in the workplace of the different time periods in which these series were aired. I'll also have to write about the show's failure to address LGBT issues.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of any literature addressing this topic? Are there any episodes that strongly pertain to these issues that I should watch? Particularly, does anyone know of an episode of TOS where Uhura gives orders to a man?

I only got into Star Trek recently and I've been watching it non stop for the past 6 months. If any of you trekkies out there can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful.

Thanks.

This is a great topic, wefarrell. I have been reading the posts and its brought up some great topics!

My wife just got done taking a women's studies classes and she actually spoke about Jadzia Dax in one of her papers...got an A. I would always bring up TREK issues in debates in class, especially online classes.

Rob
 
Voyager sends mixed messages. On the one hand you have Janeway who has the even tempered, perfect brains to gut ratio that makes a great Star Fleet captain. But then you have 7 of 9 who's a sex object. Haven't watched too much voyager though so I might be overstepping with this analysis.

I would have thought the first role of a sex object would be to have sex? Do you agree?

No. Within in the confines of Star Trek's take on sexuality, the women are often not noticed to be sexual creatures to most of the people around them despite it being obvious to the audience. That's the MO.

No one seemed to notice Troi in the catsuit in the ST Universe. She was told to put on a uniform to comply with regulations, not because she was too sexually distracting, but everyone watching noticed the suit for what it was.

It's not completely unique to Star Trek, but it's a Star Trek hallmark that sexy women are normally fairly non-sexual on screen and, when it does happen, it's ordinarily under some extreme condition.

You said 'no' and then more or less agreed with me. :shrug:
 
Seven is a sex object without actually having sex.

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She's a sex object to us... the watchers. She's not a sex object within the universe she 'lives'.
 
You can say that of every woman and most of the men on Trek. They were unrealistically good looking people, like happen in most series. Singling one out because she was brought in to give the show more oomph, is both underestimating her contribution to the 'crew' (albeit it became the Seven Show for the final two seasons) and ignoring the fact that they were all hot. Saying that the in-world characters were unaware of their hotness doesn't work because they were equally oblivious to Seven in that respect. You can't have it both ways.
 
You can say that of every woman and most of the men on Trek. They were unrealistically good looking people, like happen in most series. Singling one out because she was brought in to give the show more oomph, is both underestimating her contribution to the 'crew' (albeit it became the Seven Show for the final two seasons) and ignoring the fact that they were all hot. Saying that the in-world characters were unaware of their hotness doesn't work because they were equally oblivious to Seven in that respect. You can't have it both ways.

In a television show, you can, in fact, have it both ways.

That's the magic of tv... what the in-universe characters perceive versus what we as watchers perceive is most always different.

Seven, Kes, Deanna, T'Pol...

They were all sex objects for the watchers. They were chosen, dressed, and (to an extent) written by the TPTB to appeal to a certain demographic. They were sent into the ST universe to appeal to that certain watcher's demographic in a sexual nature.

Does that mean a sex ojbect can't be intellectual or useful to the storyline in some way or another other than for some sort of sex or sexual innuendo? No. It doesn't.

What I mean is that you have take into consideration both universes in order to really appreciate what is going on in Star Trek's Universe and what's going on in ours.

In ST's Universe, there is a higher level of equality among the sexes which completely negates the sex object our society is placing on the characters in question.
 
Hi everyone,
I'm taking a women's studies class and I've decided to write a research paper about women (and more generally gender) on Star Trek. I'm going to look at the roles of women on TOS, TNG and Voyager since those series all follow the same basic format. These roles of women change throughout the franchise and reflect ideals about women in the workplace of the different time periods in which these series were aired. I'll also have to write about the show's failure to address LGBT issues.
Well, in terms of female participation and female roles, there is certainly an obvious improvement TOS < TNG < VOY, but I think you should include DS9, since, IMO, it treated female character the best of all Trek shows - even if they were still numerically in the minority. Not only it had some great female characters, but for once their gender was not the thing that defined their characters (as noted earlier, something that started with Ro Laren on TNG), who were strong but also flawed and interesting (I'm definitely not a fan of the tendency to write female heroines as ideals of female perfection, while the male characters are the only ones allowed to be hot-tempered, nerdy, goofy, abrasive, etc. which ultimately always gives them the best lines and scenes), they were professional and capable but they also were allowed to be sexual beings, and their attractiveness was not treated in an overt, in-your-face way. (For the record, I think that both Seven of Nine and T'Pol were great characters, but their respective shows didn't do them any favors by putting them in costumes that screamed that they were primarily meant to be sex objects for the audience, whatever their other qualities. Although, to be fair, ENT was equal opportunity exploitative, as male characters were without their shirts in every second episode, in their underpants thanks to the decon scenes, etc. Trip was even treated as a sex object in-universe several times - and one might in fact use some of these episodes like "Unexpected" and "Stigma" as an example of a double standard: I doubt that these stories would be treated as comedic if genders were reversed - if, say, Hoshi got pregnant by an alien through an activity she had no idea was sexual in nature, or if she had to deal with continuous unwanted sexual advances of the husband of one of her colleagues). Back to DS9 - how many times do you see a 60-something actress in Hollywood in a non-stereotypical role, playing one of the main villains (instead of someone's mother or grandmother) and having their characters actually portrayed as a sexual being? DS9 did it - twice, with Winn and Female Founder, both great villains.

DS9 is also interesting in terms of LGBT issues as it had a few female-on-female kisses, and it showed both how Trek can do it well (Rejoined) and how Trek can do it horribly wrong (MU episode Emperor's New Cloak), and it also showed TPTB's reluctance to insert homosexual overtones between males, even when the actor himself initially played his character as "omnisexual", in his words (Andrew Robinson as Garak, who says he toned it down because it started "giving people fits").

It's too bad Kira in DS9 didn't turn out to be a lesbian, I totally thought she was until they made it clear she wasn't.
Well, I never thought she was... and I am very happy they did not choose to make her a lesbian. That would have played into such a cliche - here's a woman who is strong, energetic, outspoken, has a temper, has skills and experience in physical combat, doesn't try to be delicate and ladylike - oh, well, she must be a lesbian! :rolleyes: If they were to make a character lesbian, it should have better been one of the girlier characters - why not Leeta, or Ezri, or Kes or Hoshi?


Voyager sends mixed messages. On the one hand you have Janeway who has the even tempered, perfect brains to gut ratio that makes a great Star Fleet captain. But then you have 7 of 9 who's a sex object. Haven't watched too much voyager though so I might be overstepping with this analysis.

I would have thought the first role of a sex object would be to have sex? Do you agree?
Wouldn't that be a sex subject then? :p

No, a sex object does not have to have sex at all. A sex object's role is just to be the object of someone else's desire. Which isn't a bad thing in itself (hey, don't we all like to be objects of desire?), as long as that's not all you're allowed to be. On the other hand, if a character is showing their own sexual desire, or their sexual feelings of any kind, then they're portrayed as a sexual being, not just a sex object.
 
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