William Shatner Apologizes For Star Trek V
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˄ Well that is an big improvement on this ˅Shatner's rock men, after budget cuts came into effect:
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Which would mean you appreciate The Final Frontier and can't sit through The Search for Spock or The Voyage Home, then, considering how unspeakably ugly they are and how insipid Nimoy's direction is.
I wouldn't go that far but I get the point.Tryiny to be ambitious and failing can score you bonus points, over taking the safe route. As at least you can be given credit for trying.
Ohhhh, a month. Okay. so, during which of the closing 30 or 31 days did they decide the following were good ideas to keep in the script:
* Scotty becoming a comedic element, with an awkward love angle from Uhura?
* Giant rock men that apparently were only hindered by the budget.
* Spock's sudden half-brother, so he can technically get around not having a brother.
* The Great Barrier in the center of the galaxy, that is magically within a short distance. LOL, take that, Voyager!
* An antaganist who goes beyond simply waving his hand and saying "These aren't the droids you seek" and can suddenly make most everybody's mind follow him and can make memories real like some kind of Holodeck?
* The search for God. In a starship. Who coincidently lives not far away -- who knew in such a big universe!
* The naked fan dance. It wouldn't take me 30 or more days to nix that, it would take a split second.
30 days pass by and at no point anybody thinks those are bad ideas, including the writer?
* Scotty becoming a comedic element, with an awkward love angle from Uhura?
* Giant rock men that apparently were only hindered by the budget.
* Spock's sudden half-brother, so he can technically get around not having a brother.
* The Great Barrier in the center of the galaxy, that is magically within a short distance. LOL, take that, Voyager!
* An antaganist who goes beyond simply waving his hand and saying "These aren't the droids you seek" and can suddenly make most everybody's mind follow him and can make memories real like some kind of Holodeck?
* The search for God. In a starship. Who coincidently lives not far away -- who knew in such a big universe!
* The naked fan dance. It wouldn't take me 30 or more days to nix that, it would take a split second.
30 days pass by and at no point anybody thinks those are bad ideas, including the writer?
Somes scenes with Sybok altering the engines for an anomaly to whisk 'em afar would've been nice. I don't remember noticing specifically rockmen at all. Scotty bumpin' his head is marginal, could've cut that out. The rest of of the things you list, happy enough with them.
Two big problems that annoyed me : 1. the stones versus phaser fight .2. the comedy with the broken down Enterprise was OTT.
Smaller bits n' pieces is the turbolift numbering. The comedy prop log-book with the sign "Malfunction" or whatever was on it, Sybok's hair getting a magical cut when he beams to the surface.
The FX were adequate for my purposes at least.
What I actually liked was the half brother touch and how Sybok flummoxes Spock completely until at the end Spock rises to the challenge and Sybok martyrs himself. The Vulcans are the one species in the entirety of mass culture, with both their traditional taboos and their repression of their emotions, who might have a maverick half brother that's never talked about. And Vulcans just aren't great at forthcoming with information even in ideal terms. So I liked that touch in a way that perhaps I wouldn't have liked if it was another species.
I've never for a moment doubted Shatner's affinity with the material. Or even doubted Shatner's affinity with Star Trek, and therefore his capability to write and/or direct it. He had been absorbed in this universe and its characters for 23 years at that point, after all, so 'The Enterprise Goes In Search Of God' is actually almost generic TOS-Trek in both style and substance.
I have, however, sometimes doubted Shatner's affinity with reality.
I have, however, sometimes doubted Shatner's affinity with reality.
Not sure about the Uhura romance but Scotty walking into that overhead beam is hilarious.
I didn't miss them.
Sybok was great! Let me share your pain!
I've seen worse in Star Trek
That is dumb but it did give us "Excuse me? What does God need with a starship?"
WHAT????????????????
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I am ashamed to say, but I've seen this movie several times and I've never noticed Sybok's magic haircut.
I actually like a lot of Warped 9's ideas.
Setting it out in space, three years out from TVH. The Enterprise A is on routine patrol when they get a priority one call from Starfleet to head to Nimbus III and deal with a political hostage situation.
Jettison or rethink most of the comedy. Star Trek TOS at it's best balanced humour and serious drama. Levity is good. Heart is good. Being stupid and slapstick is just bad. Unless you want to make a feature-length Trouble with Tribbles.
Reusing Kor or Kang would have been awesome.
I would have turned Sybok into the Vulcan version of Moses. With Vulcan and Romulan disciples that follow him. They believe that logic is not enough to attain true wisdom. Sound familiar? Calling back TMP, but also retroactively referencing Undiscovered Country creating a bit of a thread for Spock's continued character growth. Spock, after these years since his resurrection has refound his center between his two halves. Meeting Sybok changes that for him, and causes him to question a great many things about his existence, and the existence of Vulcans.
Continuing off that initial point this could even work as a means to further flesh out the Romulan/Vulcan historical relationship. The Vulcan's "marshal" history. What caused the Romulans to leave Vulcan in an exodus, etc... etc... All having to do with this place. This place which the Vulcan's would find unseemly for what it would do, strip away the Vulcan pretense and reveal their "true" selves. (The contradictory fear and shame that Vulcan's feel when their emotions are exposed...)
Tie it into some ancient Iconian/Star Maker stuff. Sybok has discovered (somehow) the location of a great river. An ancient spatial anomaly of some kind. A rift, wormhole, star gate, vortex... Part of some interstellar system from some ancient race that allows travel far across the galaxy. Just as in the film, he tricks the Enterprise crew into giving him a ride. Klingon pursue... Have the Romulans show up in a surprise twist near the end. That always bothered me that the Romulans just didn't seem to care at all that one of their people was kidnapped. Really?
IRTT: That ain't an apology Shat.
Also... I rather like the rock monster suit. I know... Uber minority on that one.
Setting it out in space, three years out from TVH. The Enterprise A is on routine patrol when they get a priority one call from Starfleet to head to Nimbus III and deal with a political hostage situation.
Jettison or rethink most of the comedy. Star Trek TOS at it's best balanced humour and serious drama. Levity is good. Heart is good. Being stupid and slapstick is just bad. Unless you want to make a feature-length Trouble with Tribbles.
Reusing Kor or Kang would have been awesome.
I would have turned Sybok into the Vulcan version of Moses. With Vulcan and Romulan disciples that follow him. They believe that logic is not enough to attain true wisdom. Sound familiar? Calling back TMP, but also retroactively referencing Undiscovered Country creating a bit of a thread for Spock's continued character growth. Spock, after these years since his resurrection has refound his center between his two halves. Meeting Sybok changes that for him, and causes him to question a great many things about his existence, and the existence of Vulcans.
Continuing off that initial point this could even work as a means to further flesh out the Romulan/Vulcan historical relationship. The Vulcan's "marshal" history. What caused the Romulans to leave Vulcan in an exodus, etc... etc... All having to do with this place. This place which the Vulcan's would find unseemly for what it would do, strip away the Vulcan pretense and reveal their "true" selves. (The contradictory fear and shame that Vulcan's feel when their emotions are exposed...)
Tie it into some ancient Iconian/Star Maker stuff. Sybok has discovered (somehow) the location of a great river. An ancient spatial anomaly of some kind. A rift, wormhole, star gate, vortex... Part of some interstellar system from some ancient race that allows travel far across the galaxy. Just as in the film, he tricks the Enterprise crew into giving him a ride. Klingon pursue... Have the Romulans show up in a surprise twist near the end. That always bothered me that the Romulans just didn't seem to care at all that one of their people was kidnapped. Really?
IRTT: That ain't an apology Shat.
Also... I rather like the rock monster suit. I know... Uber minority on that one.
I think the costume is pretty cool too, though the herky-jerky movements are pretty non-threatening.
I watched the movie several times as a kid and loved it back then. As I've grown up I see how bad and/or ridiculous some of it is, but I also think it has some brilliant moments and that the cons don't negate those. And it does have alot of heart. I don't feel the need for an apology for the whole movie.
It's not as if Scotty was never used for comic relief before. Besides, you're not paying attention, he's the only one aside from Kirk who keeps his sanity. He doesn't have any inner pain bullshit, he just wants to fix his ship! Everyone else is on shore leave, he's still working on the ship. Just like in Trouble With Tribbles!
"D'yer not know a jailbreak when you see one?!"
As for Uhura, well I never had a problem with that. I can see how some might though.
There's literally zero chance a supposed blockbuster sci-fi action adventure film would be allowed to have a woman in her fifties dancing naked with some palm leaves today. I think there's something brilliant about Star Trek V just going with it.
I wonder what the first draft script was like?
I'm disturbed by the number of people, albeit only two that I have seen from skimming the thread, that are okay with the naked fan dance.
Sorry, but I don't want any of my Trek characters doing naked fan dances at any point whatsoever, even if they enter an intersteller strip club and one of them suddenly thinks that's the thing to do.
Over the series and filsm of Trek we have learned Starfleet personnel are taught all kidns of skills, from flying shuttles (Even if they suck at it), survival skills, basic medical, hand-to-hand combat, and even study battle situations. So, when faced with a group of unskilled men armed with sticks and dirty cloths, what's Kirk's major strategic idea? Uhura dancing naked. Yes, genius!
No, no ,no, not insulting to her character at all, but genius!
Sorry, but I don't want any of my Trek characters doing naked fan dances at any point whatsoever, even if they enter an intersteller strip club and one of them suddenly thinks that's the thing to do.
Over the series and filsm of Trek we have learned Starfleet personnel are taught all kidns of skills, from flying shuttles (Even if they suck at it), survival skills, basic medical, hand-to-hand combat, and even study battle situations. So, when faced with a group of unskilled men armed with sticks and dirty cloths, what's Kirk's major strategic idea? Uhura dancing naked. Yes, genius!
No, no ,no, not insulting to her character at all, but genius!
I never assimilated that she was nude or anything I just assumed she had underwear on, no? It was a kind of a typical "distract the guards" ploy that one kinda sees in movies.
Sybok going from his flourishing, flowing locks to landing on the planet with his tightly cropped hairstyle was a very pronounced difference for me. I noticed that on an early viewing. I only knew about rockmen since it was such a hot topic on here!
Tomalak makes some good points. Other than the bulkhead scene and amidst the madness, Scotty is the same Scotty we all know and love.
Sybok going from his flourishing, flowing locks to landing on the planet with his tightly cropped hairstyle was a very pronounced difference for me. I noticed that on an early viewing. I only knew about rockmen since it was such a hot topic on here!
Tomalak makes some good points. Other than the bulkhead scene and amidst the madness, Scotty is the same Scotty we all know and love.
The only problem I can see with Uhura's fan dance is where did she get the palm leaves from? There weren't any trees around! I never thought she was naked.
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