Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[Trekkin]

I've just realised that the Nu-movie use of parallel universes means we have a hand-wave for every continuity error ever, ala the timeline breaking in Thief of Time. Eugeneics Wars being 200 years ago in both TOS and DS9? That DS9 ep is in a parallel universe where the war lasted longer. Zing!

Seriously though, except for continuity nitpicks (which have always existed) we would never even be able to 'tell' that latter series was in the Nu-verse were not in Prime - especially if they go for a cast of brand new characters.

 

[BillJ]

...but that is a goal of his to shop it around and try t get a network to buy it.

Unlike a new property, there is only one network that can "buy" Renegades and that is CBS. CBS, for the last decade and the foreseeable future, seems to have little interest in bringing Trek back to the small screen. When you factor in that they collect licensing/merchandising fees from various companies and Paramount Pictures and a 700 episode back catalog to sell to anyone interested in Trek, I can see why. There is zero risk to their current strategy.

Then you factor in that TNG in HD has sold poorly and there is probably a lot of hesitation from the bean counters in investing tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in a new Star Trek series.

 

[fireproof78]

The story would have to be much tighter than Russ' previous outing to even begin to be taken seriously.

But this really should be in the other thread.

Ok. Well to get back to the point of this thread. I have a feeling once the movies have run their course we may very well see a return to the Prime Universe. I think this for a few reasons. So far paramount does not seem to be interested in expanding Star Trek as a franchise the way Disney has done with the Marvel movies and soon with Star Wars. I think they still have a feeling Star Trek just isn't a hot enough product. Second I don't think they will make a TV series with NuTrek because most fans that only like the new movies will want to see Kirk or Spock not other characters. Third there are still plenty of trek fans under 30 that grew up with the 5 prime series and wish to see more.

A couple of things with regards to your points. First of all, and partially to JWPlatt's point, rebooting Enterprise or another pre-TOS era show could do well, though it would really need to set itself apart as far as look, characters and story.

I agree with your point regarding Star Trek being the hot product and willing to invest more money in to it at the moment. I don't blame them. The entertainment market is tenuous, at best right now.

As for Disney, that is a rather unfair comparison. Disney has invested a lot of money in both Marvel and Lucas Film and want to see a return on that investment. Marvel certainly has its films planned out for many years, and Disney is investing heavily in presenting Star Wars again to the public, and are wanting to see a turnaround in investment sooner rather than later.

CBS and Paramount, by comparison, seemed to want to play it safe with their money, and not take unnecessary risks. I think the third film will give them a better feel for the market and viability of the franchise.

 

[eyeresist]

Then you factor in that TNG in HD has sold poorly and there is probably a lot of hesitation from the bean counters in investing tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in a new Star Trek series.

I don't think they would equate sales of an old TV series from the 80s with the potential for a new modern-style sci-fi show. More likely it's just that sci-fi shows are expensive to produce, so all else being equal they'll always go for the series with a contemporary setting.

 

[Squiggy]

Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why.

Because new fans know nothing of the prime universe? They only barely are aware that alternate timelines exist. Why would you go back to something that was last relevant 20 years before?

 

[Sindatur]

Renegades will never be a network series, and the place to discuss it would be in the thread on that topic in the Fan Productions forum.

It's unscientific to say something is absolute fact before observing the results of the experiment, however likely or unlikely, but I will make any further comment in the proscribed forum.

I agree wholeheartedly. Russ really seem to be working hard to make the series a reality. I believe one day a network might want to pick up a prime trek show. They can definitely market it getting back into the prime universe. Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why. The first NuTrek movie clearly explains that it is a alternate universe created from Prime Spocks universe. I can't believe fans of NuTrek don't know or understand where the new movies originated from.

Fan Films with great effects are indeed impressive to us fans, but, that's not enough to sell a Fan Film to CBS. In order for something to be interesting to CBS to actually want to purchase, they need to be impressed with everything, the acting and the writing as well. So,it's got to come from a pitch from a working Wrter/Producer (Such as Bad Robot or Simon Pegg for example)

Although some of the fan films are quite fun for me and you, they are not impressive enough to interest CBS in purchasing. I enjoyed the predecessor to Renegades, but, there was no "Leading Actor" either in the writing or in the acting. Of course the Old Trek Actors that are in it, did a good job for their roles, but, none of them have"Lead Actor" qualities, they are all written as supporting actor roles. and the Captain in that Fan film just had no "dominating presence"

 

[TRON JA307020]

Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why.

Because new fans know nothing of the prime universe? They only barely are aware that alternate timelines exist. Why would you go back to something that was last relevant 20 years before?

How do you know? The last prime universe series(Enterprise) ended only 4 years ago buy the time the NuTrek film was released in 2009. It ended 10 years this year. Nowhere near 20 years ago. They are doing revivals of the X files and possibly Twin Peaks this year with the original actors. Those shows ended much longer. Revivals of television series are common and often successful. There is a good chance someone in television will pitch a good idea for Prime Trek and it will get made one day most likely when the movies have been exhausted.

 

[BillJ]

There is a good chance someone in television will pitch a good idea for Prime Trek and it will get made one day most likely when the movies have been exhausted.

I just don't see a scenario where Trek comes back to TV in the current climate. Someone would have to be willing to pay for the entire production, pay a massive licensing fee to CBS and allow CBS to have ownership of the property.

I could've seen someone like Netflix doing it if their original programming had stumbled badly, but this isn't the case and they don't need new Star Trek to drive subscriptions to the service.

 

[TRON JA307020]

There is a good chance someone in television will pitch a good idea for Prime Trek and it will get made one day most likely when the movies have been exhausted.

I just don't see a scenario where Trek comes back to TV in the current climate. Someone would have to be willing to pay for the entire production, pay a massive licensing fee to CBS and allow CBS to have ownership of the property.

I could've seen someone like Netflix doing it if their original programming had stumbled badly, but this isn't the case and they don't need new Star Trek to drive subscriptions to the service.

Netflix would probably only do it if they had several hits. So far they have had only one. Also I agree if getting new series don't drive subscriptions they have no reason to keep making them.

 

[BillJ]

Netflix would probably only do it if they had several hits. So far they have had only one. Also I agree if getting new series don't drive subscriptions they have no reason to keep making them.

Actually they have a couple of shows that are highly popular (Orange is the New Black, House of Cards) and a couple that are good but probably equate to minor hits (Lilyhammer, Marco Polo, Bojack Horseman).

I don't see Netflix slowing down with the original programming nor do I see them making Star Trek when their own material is thriving.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Netflix would probably only do it if they had several hits. So far they have had only one. Also I agree if getting new series don't drive subscriptions they have no reason to keep making them.

Actually they have a couple of shows that are highly popular (Orange is the New Black, House of Cards) and a couple that are good but probably equate to minor hits (Lilyhammer, Marco Polo, Bojack Horseman).

I don't see Netflix slowing down with the original programming nor do I see them making Star Trek when their own material is thriving.

They actually have a revival of Twin Peaks on the slate staring most of the original actors. Its hit a snag because david lynch wants more money to make a better show. It sounds like they are going to go ahead with it anyway without lynch if necessary.

 

[Sindatur]

Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why.

Because new fans know nothing of the prime universe? They only barely are aware that alternate timelines exist. Why would you go back to something that was last relevant 20 years before?

How do you know? The last prime universe series(Enterprise) ended only 4 years ago buy the time the NuTrek film was released in 2009. It ended 10 years this year. Nowhere near 20 years ago. They are doing revivals of the X files and possibly Twin Peaks this year with the original actors. Those shows ended much longer. Revivals of television series are common and often successful. There is a good chance someone in television will pitch a good idea for Prime Trek and it will get made one day most likely when the movies have been exhausted.

Sure it ended only a few years before ST09, but, it only had a million viewers at that time. Nothing like the number of viewers Xfiles, 24 or Twin Peaks had.

Squiggy used the word "relevant" in relation to 20 years ago, meaning that's how long ago it's been since it had ratings of any interest.

Again, please understand we're not poopoo'ing Prime Trek, we're being practical looking at the numbers and acknowledging the numbers simply weren't there to interest someone risking putting up $10 -$25 Million for a budget

 

[BillJ]

They actually have a revival of Twin Peaks on the slate staring most of the original actors. Its hit a snag because david lynch wants more money to make a better show. It sounds like they are going to go ahead with it anyway without lynch if necessary.

The production costs and licensing fees for a show like Twin Peaks is a completely different animal than Star Trek.

And it is Showtime bringing it back...

http://tvline.com/2014/10/06/twin-peaks-showtime-season-3-air-date-2016/

 

[BillJ]

Again, please understand we're not poopoo'ing Prime Trek, we're being practical looking at the numbers and acknowledging the numbers simply weren't there to interest someone risking putting up $10 -$25 Million for a budget

I think you're severely underestimating the cost of a new series. I imagine it would cost around $4 to $5 million an episode with a likely 13 episode order. So the cost would be anywhere from $50 to $65 million for a season.

 

[Squiggy]

Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why.

Because new fans know nothing of the prime universe? They only barely are aware that alternate timelines exist. Why would you go back to something that was last relevant 20 years before?

How do you know? The last prime universe series(Enterprise) ended only 4 years ago buy the time the NuTrek film was released in 2009.

And no one was watching it.

It ended 10 years this year.

Here are some other shows that ended in the 2004-2005 season. Any of those still relevant?

Nowhere near 20 years ago.

You're talking about picking up after Voyager, which ended in 2000...but the time another movies comes and goes and TV production winds up it will be close to 20 years between the airing of Endgame and the airing of the 4th 24th century series.

They are doing revivals of the X files and possibly Twin Peaks this year with the original actors.

X-Files is getting a 6 episode run and Fox is desperate for some buzz with Idol languishing. Twin Peaks might not happen.. CBS owns the franchise and they're fine not airing it.

Those shows ended much longer.

Xfiles ended in 2002. Twin Peaks has had a cult following but wasn't ever going to air on Network television. Want to guarantee no one watches Star Trek? Stick it on Showtime.

Revivals of television series are common and often successful.

Aside from TNG, name one.

There is a good chance someone in television will pitch a good idea for Prime Trek

I'm sure many people have pitched good ideas for Prime Trek in the past 10-15 years...however none of them have made it to air as they haven't been worth the expense.

and it will get made one day most likely when the movies have been exhausted.

Prime Trek is dead. It's best to accept this and move on. No one is going to air a different version of something that is more recent and wildly successful because Tim Russ appears in someone else's garage.

 

[TRON JA307020]

They actually have a revival of Twin Peaks on the slate staring most of the original actors. Its hit a snag because david lynch wants more money to make a better show. It sounds like they are going to go ahead with it anyway without lynch if necessary.

The production costs and licensing fees for a show like Twin Peaks is a completely different animal than Star Trek.

And it is Showtime bringing it back...

http://tvline.com/2014/10/06/twin-peaks-showtime-season-3-air-date-2016/

Oh yeah that right it was showtime. I hope it happens but Lynch needs to get on board.

 

[Sindatur]

Again, please understand we're not poopoo'ing Prime Trek, we're being practical looking at the numbers and acknowledging the numbers simply weren't there to interest someone risking putting up $10 -$25 Million for a budget

I think you're severely underestimating the cost of a new series. I imagine it would cost around $4 to $5 million an episode with a likely 13 episode order. So the cost would be anywhere from $50 to $65 million for a season.

OK, I figured they could get by on $2M an episode, and was estimating as small as a MiniSeries up to 10 Episodes

 

[Makarov]

Prime Trek is dead. It's best to accept this and move on. No one is going to air a different version of something that is more recent and wildly successful because Tim Russ appears in someone else's garage.

Someone could have easily said the exact same thing about trek movies in general before JJ Abrams came along. "Why would they make more Trek movies when the numbers suck? Trek is dead, move on."

All it takes is someone like that to convince them to revive it on TV, and none of us know what time period it will be set in.

Aside from TNG, name one.

Futurama, Family Guy, revived from cancellation. BSG revived by reboot.

 

[Cyke101]

Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why.

Because new fans know nothing of the prime universe? They only barely are aware that alternate timelines exist. Why would you go back to something that was last relevant 20 years before?

How do you know? The last prime universe series(Enterprise) ended only 4 years ago buy the time the NuTrek film was released in 2009.

When ST09 was released, somehow I doubt that Enterprise fans were the target audience. A few bones were thrown in for them, sure, but they weren't the focus. The goals were to get new fans on board, and on a lesser note to reinvigorate older fans to get them back to the theaters, who skipped out on Nemesis. ST09 achieved both.

 

[Sindatur]

Aside from TNG, name one.

Futurama, Family Guy, revived from cancellation. BSG revived by reboot.

Futurama and Family Guy are animated, and would have a much smaller budget.

BSG was praised by critics, but, unfortunately it wasn't successful, it only hung around as long it did, because SyFy Channel had hope the good critical acclaim would bring viewers, but, it never did, and they finally had to cancel it after S4, when it fell below 1 million viewers