Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[JWPlatt]

...'reboot's' only official definition relates to computing...

Hardly. The computing pioneers stole it from the shoemakers.

"Boot" is lazy speech for the more technically accurate "bootstrap." A bootstrap is the loop at the back of a boot used to pull it on. That was reapplied for modern use to the small piece of code residing on the storage used to load and pass control to the Operating System.

In older days, a farrier might find "reboot" an odd term to use for putting new shoes on a horse - a fairly useful analogy or metaphor for the film industry today.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In movies, a remake can be a reboot. AMS was a reboot, and also a quasi remake of Raimi's first movie. Both of them were also adaptations of Amazing Fantasy.

These days pretty much all remakes are called reboots. The former's use has greatly diminished.

It's kind-of silly getting hung up on 'reboot's' definitions anyway. As I pointed out, 'reboot's' only official definition relates to computing. It's just that definitions key parts are the 'end' and 'restart' parts, which is what I'd focus on if I were translating it to movie lingo. A 'remade' computer is a new computer built from the same parts, a rebooted one is the exact same system restarted.

Yeah,the term was borrowed from computing which borrowed it from the term "bootstrap". I think the usage in film/TV/comics is as official as the computer usage at this stage. And it's not an exact parallel.

 

[Trekkin]

That's the origin of 'booting' (ie. the bootstrap loader), which is just the start-up or initialisation part of the process. I guess that means you're right, but that's not the exact same thing as 'rebooting'. As far as I know (and I've been wrong), that specific term was never used elsewhere.

Well, until somone in Hollywood decided they liked it.

Who did start using that term for movies, anyway? Abrams? Nolan?

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's the origin of 'booting' (ie. the bootstrap loader), which is just the start-up or initialisation part of the process. I guess that means you're right, but that's not the exact same thing as 'rebooting'. As far as I know (and I've been wrong), that specific term was never used elsewhere.

Well, until somone in Hollywood decided they liked it.

Who did start using that term for movies, anyway? Abrams? Nolan?

I'm sure it predates Abrams and Nolan. Film makers might have borrowed it from comics, which is where I first heard it. (in relationship to entertainment)

 

[JWPlatt]

This wiki article conflates the use of the term with the meaning of the term applied retrospectively, but it appears accepted that the first use of the term was for Nolan's "Batman Begins."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_(fiction)

And I whole-heartedly agree with this article calling for the abolishment of the term as applied to movies:
http://filmverse.com/2011/11/30/movie-terms-that-should-be-retired/

 

[martok2112]

I can agree with that article to a degree, JW.

I think the best term that can be used for movies that are so-called "reboots" would be more like "do-overs".

Heh...if that guy didn't like the term "threequel", clearly he's avoided "Alvin and the Chipmunks 2: The Squeak-quel".

 

[JWPlatt]

I think the best term that can be used for movies that are so-called "reboots" would be more like "do-overs".

That's a nicely mundane or subversive term that rightly takes down the concept a peg or two with a connotation of left overs warmed up in the microwave; or a mulligan.

 

[martok2112]

I think the best term that can be used for movies that are so-called "reboots" would be more like "do-overs".

That's a nicely mundane or subversive term that rightly takes down the concept a peg or two with a connotation of left overs warmed up in the microwave; or a mulligan.

LMAO! I almost went there too...with mulligan!

 

[TRON JA307020]

Welp it looks like Tim Russ is attempting to have more stories in the Prime Universe with Star Trek Renegades. He even hopes it may get a network series, one shot or online series. He even has a 144 year old Chekov in the production. The trailer doesn't look bad for a production that cost only $250,000.

 

[M'Sharak]

Renegades will never be a network series, and the place to discuss it would be in the thread on that topic in the Fan Productions forum.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Renegades will never be a network series, and the place to discuss it would be in the thread on that topic in the Fan Productions forum.

I didn't want to discuss Renegades only that Tim Russ wanted to continue the Prime Universe story. I agree it probably won't get a series but that is a goal of his to shop it around and try t get a network to buy it. Who knows it might get a one shot television movie. I just wanted to note here that some are trying to continue prime trek even though their chances are slim.

 

[JWPlatt]

Renegades will never be a network series, and the place to discuss it would be in the thread on that topic in the Fan Productions forum.

It's unscientific to say something is absolute fact before observing the results of the experiment, however likely or unlikely, but I will make any further comment in the proscribed forum.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Renegades will never be a network series, and the place to discuss it would be in the thread on that topic in the Fan Productions forum.

It's unscientific to say something is absolute fact before observing the results of the experiment, however likely or unlikely, but I will make any further comment in the proscribed forum.

I agree wholeheartedly. Russ really seem to be working hard to make the series a reality. I believe one day a network might want to pick up a prime trek show. They can definitely market it getting back into the prime universe. Others say it will confuse New fans but I say why. The first NuTrek movie clearly explains that it is a alternate universe created from Prime Spocks universe. I can't believe fans of NuTrek don't know or understand where the new movies originated from.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a fan film and that what the networks will see it as.

For the Networks to pick up a Prime Trek show, CBS would have to be interested in making a Prime Trek show. I doubt CBS thinks of Trek in terms like "Prime" and "New".

 

[TRON JA307020]

It's a fan film and that what the networks will see it as.

For the Networks to pick up a Prime Trek show, CBS would have to be interested in making a Prime Trek show. I doubt CBS thinks of Trek in terms like "Prime" and "New".

Its a bit more than a fan film. Tim Russ while a fan was in Voyager and has experience in the industry. I agree that it has little chance of being picked up but I think that someone one day will pitch a prime universe series or ne shot to a network and it will get picked. Renegades while well done seems to be straying to far from Trek for my taste.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a fan film and that what the networks will see it as.

For the Networks to pick up a Prime Trek show, CBS would have to be interested in making a Prime Trek show. I doubt CBS thinks of Trek in terms like "Prime" and "New".

Its a bit more than a fan film. Tim Russ while a fan was in Voyager and has experience in the industry. I agree that it has little chance of being picked up but I think that someone one day will pitch a prime universe series or ne shot to a network and it will get picked. Renegades while well done seems to be straying to far from Trek for my taste.

It's a fan film.

 

[urbandefault]

The story would have to be much tighter than Russ' previous outing to even begin to be taken seriously.

But this really should be in the other thread.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The story would have to be much tighter than Russ' previous outing to even begin to be taken seriously.

But this really should be in the other thread.

Ok. Well to get back to the point of this thread. I have a feeling once the movies have run their course we may very well see a return to the Prime Universe. I think this for a few reasons. So far paramount does not seem to be interested in expanding Star Trek as a franchise the way Disney has done with the Marvel movies and soon with Star Wars. I think they still have a feeling Star Trek just isn't a hot enough product. Second I don't think they will make a TV series with NuTrek because most fans that only like the new movies will want to see Kirk or Spock not other characters. Third there are still plenty of trek fans under 30 that grew up with the 5 prime series and wish to see more.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The chances are better for a new TV show set in a new universe.

 

[JWPlatt]

Maybe they can reboot "Enterprise." That's our only canon left that fits into the Everyverse.

Despite my sig, I feel it necessary to point out the above is deeply cynical, sardonic sarcasm before I am lambasted as the stupidest human on Earth.

Or is it?