Will the uniforms change?

[fireproof78]

Still not seeing it. They seem to go their own ways for the most part. LCARS looks nothing like the jellies from TOS or even the the Xmas lights of TMP. The uniforms in TMP are a major departure from TOS. The TWOK ones that followed are a departure from TMP. They're almost the opposite of both TMP and TOS. TNG's seems to drifts back to TMP in away but goes for bold color and asymmetry. Of course on the ship front The Refit is a reimagining of TOS's Enterprise. Still it takes liberties. TNG reshapes the components of a Trek ship. The primary hull, the secondary hull and the nacelles are totally different.

Yeah, TOS never lined up to TMP. It simply feels completely different from aesthetic to design influence. The Refit hull different enough to strain believability as the same ship.

That's not even starting on the uniforms which follow no design lineage.

 

[TRON JA307020]

leading into Year One, if Goldsman gets his way!

Im starting to have my doubts. If the powers that be weren't originally going to give them a 5th season and when they did get greenlit fir a 5th they got 6 episodes and they had to beg for that. Much of the original crew is in place. Why would they greenlight a new show that looks exactly like the last show that they just canceled? I would think a different show would more likeky get greenlit. Actually one was. Academy..

 

[fireproof78]

Why would they greenlight a new show that looks exactly like the last show that they just canceled

Save money

 

[TRON JA307020]

Save money

The show looked cheaper in season 3. How much more money can they save?

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, TOS never lined up to TMP. It simply feels completely different from aesthetic to design influence. The Refit hull different enough to strain believability as the same ship.

That's not even starting on the uniforms which follow no design lineage.

That was all intentional. With TMP, Roddenberry wanted to distance his new version of Trek from TOS as much as possible, even going so far as to say that what we saw in TOS was just a fictionalized version of the actual events, and TMP was 'actually' how things looked and happened. Which is essentially what the producers of SNW are doing now.

The ironic thing, though, is that once Roddenberry was no longer in charge, all of that was ignored and TOS was considered to be in the same continuity as TMP and the rest of the TOS films and television sequels. Which just goes to show that nothing is ever set in stone, and one showrunner's edict can be easily contradicted by a future showrunner.

 

[Michael]

The show looked cheaper in season 3. How much more money can they save?

In what respect? As many problems as I had with the writing this season, the show certainly continues to be the best looking Trek show to date.

 

[fireproof78]

The show looked cheaper in season 3. How much more money can they save?

How?

And the fact remains that CBS/Paramount was losing money, engaging in austerity measures, etc.

In streaming 3 to 5 seasons is fairly standard, possibly because the cast can receive more compensation as a show progresses.

That was all intentional. With TMP, Roddenberry wanted to distance his new version of Trek from TOS as much as possible, even going so far as to say that what we saw in TOS was just a fictionalized version of the actual events, and TMP was 'actually' how things looked and happened.

Yes. Which is why the idea of it all being continuous timeline is laughable to me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes. Which is why the idea of it all being continuous timeline is laughable to me.

It you turn the lights out and squint, it works perfectly!!!!

 

[TRON JA307020]

In what respect? As many problems as I had with the writing this season, the show certainly continues to be the best looking Trek show to date.

How?

And the fact remains that CBS/Paramount was losing money, engaging in austerity measures, etc.

In streaming 3 to 5 seasons is fairly standard, possibly because the cast can receive more compensation as a show progresses.



Yes. Which is why the idea of it all being continuous timeline is laughable to me.

The space effects were less and when they did have them the effects looked rushed or muddled. Just bad cgi. I've seen better on the star trek continues show.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes. Which is why the idea of it all being continuous timeline is laughable to me.

That’s the way I feel about DSC/SNW.

 

[Michael]

when they did have them the effects looked rushed or muddled. Just bad cgi.

Could you please point out examples? Because while I agree that the show tends to not include many shots of the ship exterior for whatever reason, I don’t recall a single moment that stood out as “rushed or muddled”, let alone “bad”. So I hope you’ll understand that I won’t just take your word for it.

I've seen better on the star trek continues show.

This must be hyperbole, because I’m not sure how seriously I could take you if you actually meant this. The SFX on Continues were cool and all (for 2014 or whatever), but they were absolutely not comparable to what they are doing on Strange New Worlds. I get that you prefer their aesthetic, but come now, they are obviously not better or more professionally made. They just aren’t.

 

[fireproof78]

Just bad cgi. I've seen better on the star trek continues show.

Based on what? Star Trek Continues is ok but VFX was not its strong suit.

That’s the way I feel about DSC/SNW.

Which is fine because TMP discarded it long ago.

 

[Dukhat]

Which is fine because TMP discarded it long ago.

And TWOK basically discarded TMP (despite using stock footage from it.)

However, once TNG achieved mainstream popularity, everything was treated as one and the same universe, despite any design aesthetics that don’t seem compatible.

The other thing is that if everyone wore the TOS uniforms, the ship looked the same as in TOS, all the sets and props were the same, and the Klingons still looked like greasy-skinned humans, there’s still nothing in TMP that directly contradicts TOS. That’s not quite true with DSC/SNW. So it’s not just about the aesthetic choices to me.

 

[fireproof78]

And TWOK basically discarded TMP (despite using stock footage from it.)

However, once TNG achieved mainstream popularity, everything was treated as one and the same universe, despite any design aesthetics that don’t seem compatible.

The other thing is that if everyone wore the TOS uniforms, the ship looked the same as in TOS, all the sets and props were the same, and the Klingons still looked like greasy-skinned humans, there’s still nothing in TMP that directly contradicts TOS. That’s not quite true with DSC/SNW. So it’s not just about the aesthetic choices to me.

For me, the contradictions come in characterization. Each character is treated quite poorly at the beginning, and isn't a good starting point.

It is an extremely poor fit, and TWOK discards it as well. I find them contradictory in purpose so lining them up with TOS isn't helpful.

Contradictions in DSC and SNW I can handle because it's a post TMP world, meant to align with that vision of the characters, not TOS always.

That's my view and I'll still keep SNW with Pike but as with the Cage, it will not like up perfectly with TOS. And I'm ok with that because I've been working with workarounds since I was 8 and watched TNG and going, "yeah, that's not the same world."

 

[Dukhat]

If only the SNW producers would acknowledge that.

 

[fireproof78]

If only the SNW producers would acknowledge that.

Other producers never did so why start now?