Yes, I remember that being on the LP.
Why was Mabel Barret really dropped as Number One?
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Now that I think about it, I wonder how it would have gone down if they had made her a Vulcan to begin with.
I never really liked Nurse Chapel (or Lwx. Troi) but I'd have liked to see more of Number One.
I don't know if she and Spock could convive on the same ship though.
But imagine what McCoy would think of her.
And I'd have liked to seen more of Randy too but that's offtopic.
I don't know if she and Spock could convive on the same ship though.
But imagine what McCoy would think of her.
And I'd have liked to seen more of Randy too but that's offtopic.
Definitely better than Jolene Blalock.
Jolene Blalock was better than every single background Vulcan in STIV and STVI.
Blalock worked very hard to appear like a very emotional person working furiously to contain her emotions but she also had the benefit of building on earlier performances. I don't think that earlier performances could have been that overly emotional and, conversely, if every performance that followed had been devoid of emotion, there would have been little appetite for more Vulcans. T'Pring is a great example of fierce intelligence and barely contained arrogance while Selar IMO is a bad example. I found her to be a bit too grey.
I think Barrett's voice had a lot of gravitas and her performance was quite nuanced. I would very much have been in favour of her remaining, especially considering how there seemed to be a backlash against women in command afterwards and every other woman that followed was overly emotional and largely lacking in authority.
I agree. Dr. Selar on TNG illustrates the problem with Vulcans as a concept. When they are not undergoing some kind of severe stress like ponn farr or an alien influence, they are very dull people. About the only fun they offer is to make wry comments on the failings of others, and imply that Vulcans are superior. And we just love that.
Early Star Trek Enterprise episodes made matters worse, by inventing the idea that humans smell bad to Vulcans, and thus they have to suffer our very presence. Note that, as always, it was a one-way street: Vulcans smell fine to humans. Everything is one way with Vulcans: they're smarter, stronger, live longer, smell better, have better hearing, have ESP... superior in every way. Like a fantasy "master race." Leonard Nimoy could sell it, but it was really his shtick, and when you bring in more Vulcans, it gets old fast. For me, one was enough.
Spock had the advantage of having internal conflict because of his hybrid heritage. That's why Tuvok and T'Pol were both so dull by comparison.
I think the half human thing worked OK for Spock since it helped him as an allegory in the sixties but we should never have had another half human character again. The race is how you write it and half human became very silly and repetitive. It's not clever.
I wasn't suggesting that the other Vulcan characters we got should have been half human. I was just saying that they were less interesting than Spock was.
Yeah, I mean I think Nimoy makes Spock interesting rather than the fact that he was half human although I do love Amanda.
To find Spock more interesting than other Vulcans is one thing. To suggest you need to be a hybrid to have internal conflict is silly. If anything, T'Pol was even more conflicted than Spock, which plays into complaints that she's more emotional. Even late into season 4, she never become comfortable in her own skin. She spent a lot of time away from home because she's not close to her mother. Yet she pushed Trip away because she was scared of not being a good Vulcan. I also compared their parents in another thread but to summarize, Spock had it a lot easier, at least in that aspect. http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/binge-watching-on-netflix.279739/#post-11657427
Spock seems to have accepted that his father wouldn't like his choice to go into Starfleet. I remember some thinly veiled anger and annoyance at Sarek in Journey to Babel. But if Spock still had daddy issues, they didn't seem to bother him. Despite hearing T'Les say she was proud of her with her dying breath, T'Pol never really came to terms with her mommy issues. From what we learn in Home, she was essentially a highly functioning "special" kid. Some fans say if Spock can hold it together when he was only half Vulcan, why can't T'Pol? Well, that's not a fair criticism. She is more emotional because she's insecure. T'Pol had no one she could confide in for more than half her life, which made controlling her emotions harder. It's a miracle she wasn't more messed up. I'm amazed she was able to accomplish this much professionally with all of these obstacles and I just don't get why some fans don't see that.
As I explained just two posts above, that wasn't at all what I was saying. You're debating a statement I never made.
Strange, exactly what I didn't see in her. Alright, maybe I'm missing something.
From your first post in the thread, I took it to mean Spock was more interesting because he had more internal conflict than the other two Vulcans. The conflict stemmed from him being half-human. For the record, I don't find Tuvok interesting either but I never got into VOY. If 2 people in a row misunderstood you, maybe your sentences should have been phrased differently.
Fine. Here you go:
Spock had the advantage of having internal conflict. That's why Tuvok and T'Pol were both so dull by comparison.
I think Majel was great as the various computers. Her voice work was also at times excellent in TAS, and I agree with those saying that she was great as Lwaxana. Some of my favorite moments in TNG are Lwaxana's. I think it's possible that Majel might have grown as an actress between TOS and TNG.
Really, we are focusing on her but we might similarly ask why Laurel Goodwin or Peter Duryea were not confirmed.
From Memory Alpha:
Very occasionally, her delivery seemed a bit lazy in Earth: Final Conflict; her punch lines lacked oomph. But that is certainly not the impression I got in the Cage.
I thought there was quite a bit of depth and fire in Laurel Goodwin too. I can visualise how she would have reacted if tied up by the children in Miri and I think she would have been less passive than Rand. That's not a criticism of Grace, I think it just demonstrates how the writers rolled back portrayals of active women in the show.
It's always tougher with the guys because there are so many more male characters to choose from. I think Tyler was a very affable character, a bit like an early Chekov prototype.
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