Why the hate for Disco?

[eschaton]

I do think it's true that some shows and movies attempt to purposefully "trigger" right-wingers who get upset to see non white-male leads - particularly in cases where they fear the product will be critically panned and hope the reverse backlash will lead to greater popularity.

I don't think Discovery is one of those shows however.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Ds9 had a black captain and "strong female characters" and it's probably a close second to TOS in terms of popularity within the fandom. So I'm not buying the "diversity" argument for why it gets hate. I personally don't hate it, it's alright, not as good as the original three shows and better than the lows of Voyager and ENT. But not liking a TV show does not make someone a bigot.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

[QUOTE="TheAdmiralty, post: 13766983, member: 62956] But not liking a TV show does not make someone a bigot.[/QUOTE]

It does if the issue is due to prominent LGBTQIA characters or taking issue with character traits of an outspoken black woman that wouldn't be an issue if she were a white person. Unfortunately a lot of the online criticism is about Discovery's 'wokeness' and a lot of the criticism directed at Burnham falls into 'uppity negroe' territory.

 

[fireproof78]

I've never once judged a show on it's political messaging or leaning. There are plenty of shows that aren't aligned with my own values and sensibilities in terms of their "messaging."

I either like a show because it's entertaining, or I don't. And there are shows that are wildly entertaining that don't "send a message" that's aligned with where I lean. I don't really care...any more than I care if I have friends or coworkers who have a different way of thinking.

Unlike so very many people these days, I don't need things to be aligned with my thinking to find value in them and not find them offensive.

But....I think you're right to some extent here, unfortunately.

I think many live to be offended, on all sides of the political spectrum.

However, for my money, a show doesn't have to line up with me politically to be entertaining.

 

[Lord Garth]

Ds9 had a black captain and "strong female characters" and it's probably a close second to TOS in terms of popularity within the fandom. So I'm not buying the "diversity" argument for why it gets hate. I personally don't hate it, it's alright, not as good as the original three shows and better than the lows of Voyager and ENT. But not liking a TV show does not make someone a bigot.

I'd love to agree with you. And I can see why you think this. But what I've seen from some tells me otherwise. Primarily, but not exclusively, from former members of the board who've been banned. Regulars here know who they are.

The disconnect between how people used to think and how they've thought for the last half-dozen to dozen years is very real. At least in America, society has become both more tolerant and more bigoted at the same time, as polarization becomes more and more extreme. Anyone who thinks this isn't happening is in deep denial. They don't look at things they used to like in the '90s, for instance, in the same way they'd look at things from Today because they rationalize it as, "But that was different!"

As soon as you hear someone say, "But that was different!", you know they have a disconnect. They can't square how they think now with how they used to think, so they have to set it off to the side or come up with a twisted, swiss-cheese, double-standard rationalization, complete with movable goalposts.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Ds9 had a black captain and "strong female characters

Combine those into one and the resentment from those so inclined grows exponentially.

 

[RAMA]

This makes me chuckle, sensibly.

Just a chuckle? I got a chortle.

 

[Danja]

Oh, ENT got picked to pieces when it was on the air. Trust me. I was here in the forums when it was first on and many of the same critiques and arguments being made against DSC, PIC and LD right now were used against ENT back in 2001 and 2002.

The same people who are now singing the praises of Berman & Braga today wanted to impale both of them on pikes back in 2001!

 

[F. King Daniel]

The same people who are now singing the praises of Berman & Braga today wanted to impale both of them on pikes back in 2001!

After the 2009 movie, I recall reading something the EAS guy wrote and it referred back to Enterprise as "true" Trek and I'm pretty sure I let out loud, "are you kidding me?"

 

[The Wormhole]

EAS is basically the very text book definition of angry old man yelling at the clouds.

 

[cooleddie74]

The same people who are now singing the praises of Berman & Braga today wanted to impale both of them on pikes back in 2001!

And for stupider reasons than we're seeing now.

 

[Lord Garth]

And for stupider reasons than we're seeing now.

As a Non-ENT Fan, I can vouch for that. I had to distance myself from ENT Bashers as much as possible for a reason.

 

[cooleddie74]

I didn't mind spreading some ridiculous ENT memes and stirring the pot myself but damn, ENT trolls were a dense and rare element.

 

[Dukhat]

I did like the whole ‘Interregnum’ thing though.

 

[cooleddie74]

100% NOT DEAD

 

[EnderAKH]

I am so T/T. A/T people are just crazy.

 

[The Wormhole]

Summer of the Sloth FTW

 

[Amasov]

I was exhausted by the Berman and Braga formula by the end of Voyager. While I liked Enterprise on the whole, it wasn't too much of a departure from the way the stories were told. It s till FELT like the same shows from previous whether that was by design or just, what one would call, "studio interference."

For me, Discovery is neither better or worse; I just think that particularly this last season, I didn't find it to be that compelling or interesting. I won't rehash my feeling yet again.

Season three of Discovery was the first season of Star Trek I genuinely did not like at all. Even bad seasons of previous Trek shows, I could at least watch some of them because there were some redeeming qualities whether it just be the characters or a B plot. But this was really the first time I walked away from a season angry and frustrated.

 

[Swedish Borg]

I for one, don't hate Disco. I think it's a fine series in spite of its flaws which are no worse than the flaws of all the other series. I've just watched TOS' the alternative factor and that's probably one of the worst pieces of trash ever produced. For one thing, it doesn't make any sense. There ought to be a breathalyzer test before any writer is allowed to write a script for an ST series!!!

 

[nic3636]

Dark and serialized.
Having minorities in lead roles.
Aren't afraid to change their status quos.
Aren't afraid of having shady characters with disturbing pasts.
Aren't afraid to shake up the Quadrant or Galaxy.

The two shows have more in common than Niners who don't like Discovery want to admit.

It's interesting you say that cause I think DS9 and DIS have more differences than similarities. DS9 storytelling was very macro with it's world building and quadrant sized wars, DIS on the other hand couldn't be more micro with its storytelling focus mostly on individual struggles. DS9 had an ensemble style with no character getting too much screen time, DSC is all about Michael Burnham. DS9 explored societal issues like religion, discrimination, etc. whereas the issues DIS explores are more related to mental health.

I think DIS is closer to TOS than anything else.