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Why the hate for Disco?

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I'm convinced one of the reasons the first two episodes of Discovery seem so...incoherent...is there were extensive rewrites after much of the footage was already filmed. For example, the writing made Burnham's "mutiny" out as being much worse than what was shown onscreen. Maybe she originally successfully fired on the Klingon ship, but they edited it out because they thought it reflected too badly on her character? All of the Sarek scenes were unnecessary for the narrative and seemed to have been ported in at a later time - maybe after they decided Michael was Spock's sister. "Part 2" being so short seemed odd as well...as if they left a lot of footage on the cutting room floor, or else added a bunch of stuff in post-production and realized it was too long for a single episode.
Which is probably why I'm more forgiving. This wasn't a smooth sailing production despite efforts. It had a variety of different storytellers and desired outcomes that unfortunately didn't all come across clearly.
 
It's the current Trek. The current Trek will always be hated until it ends and people can then become nostalgic about it. Nature of Trek fandom, the current stuff is always shit, and it's only the stuff from the past that's any good.

I pretty much liked all the treks right away except maybe enterprise at first. Discovery and Picard are the first trek shows i truly hated. The writing is amateur and the plots are convoluted and filler based to get through a 10 or 12 episode arc. TOS and TNG could get bold concepts and ideas across with a great story in less then a hour. Discovery stretches an hour story into 10 with loads of boring filler.
 
Even Saturday Night Live now makes fun of Discovery's over-emotionality:

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I pretty much liked all the treks right away except maybe enterprise at first. Discovery and Picard are the first trek shows i truly hated. The writing is amateur and the plots are convoluted and filler based to get through a 10 or 12 episode arc.

Disco and Picard were written knowing that both shows would go on for several seasons.

TOS and TNG could get bold concepts and ideas across with a great story in less then a hour. Discovery stretches an hour story into 10 with loads of boring filler.

There's good and bad in every show ("Spock's Brain", "Sub Rosa").
 
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Yeah but at least with an hour bad im only out an hour. If a arc season ends bad im out 10 hours.
Yes, so why put yourself through that when you know you're not going to like it? Just skip it.

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I bailed out on the last two seasons of VOY and all of ENT. If I could do it back then, you can do it now.
 
I don't think I'm too hard on Star Trek. If this were some other non-Trek show, but essentially the same as it is, judging from the rest of my life I wouldn't watch it. It's not my cup of tea.

PIC was better for me tonally, but disappointing, plot-wise; and I thought it was going to be less action/pew than it was. (My bad -- based on assumptions/expectations, not the show's fault -- they can do what they do.)

DSC just isn't my cup of tea, for some reasons. I keep watching it b/c the Trek name. Old habits die hard. I was able to break away from Lower Decks after 2 eps.

I'm a little bummed by the DSC trailer about a BIG PROBLEM again. I thought they were gonna go flying about the Fed, trying to patch it up. I would think that would offer many opportunites for interesting premises. Some would work, some not. Could still have arcs. I am tired of the big bad thing that must be stopped.
 
TOS and TNG could get bold concepts and ideas across with a great story in less then a hour.

Why must all TV necessarily be easily digestible?

You're having to leave out a lot in the name of distilling it down to an hour.

PIC was better for me tonally, but disappointing, plot-wise; and I thought it was going to be less action/pew than it was. (My bad -- based on assumptions/expectations, not the show's fault -- they can do what they do.)

Picard is shaping up to be Trek crossed with Marvel Comics.

You have ordinary people (Rios, Raffi, Jurati) having to work alongside these super-powered Titans (Robo-Picard, Elnor the swordsman, Soji, Seven, and the forthcoming Guinan with Q thrown in playing the Loki role).

Picard even has his own Alfred Pennyworth(s) in the forms of Laris and Zhaban.
 
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I'm a little bummed by the DSC trailer about a BIG PROBLEM again. I thought they were gonna go flying about the Fed, trying to patch it up. I would think that would offer many opportunites for interesting premises. Some would work, some not. Could still have arcs. I am tired of the big bad thing that must be stopped.

How do you "stop" a gravitational anomaly? :confused:

You might as well try to shut down a nebula.
 
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