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Why the hate for Disco?

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TOS, TNG, DS9, I guess that worked until VOY and ENT. I used to abbreviate standard as STD, so :) DIS could be taken as a negative, so DISCO seems better unless maybe you hated the '70s?
DSC is what I go with, formally.
DIS is fine.
I like DISCO, informally... because I like the music and it's also what was in-style when I was born.

STD... well, it's been four years. I think it should be common knowledge that it's mostly used by haters of the show and anyone would be perceived that way if they use it, even if by accident. That's just the way the cookie crumbles online. Plus "STD" makes everyone think of something else... which I think is what the haters of the show are going for. They want you to associate DSC with something as horrible as an STD.

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But this my opening to say it's safe to say I think a lot of the Boomer Trekkies who hate Discovery who probably did actually go to "Disco Sucks!" Rallies in 1979.
 
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DSC is what I with, formally.
DIS is fine.
I like DISCO, informally... because I like the music and it's what was in-style when I was born.

STD... well, it's been four years. I think it should be common knowledge that it's mostly used by haters of the show and you'll be perceived that way.

Yeah, DSC or DISCO maybe affectionately/fondly . Agreed on STD is for the haters. I had a friend call me out on abbreviating standard during school as STD, I understood the context so I didn't think it mattered until being called out on it.

Regarding DSC, there are things I like and those I don't. If we only get so much Trek, I guess I wish it was all "good" according to my definition :) With the TOS movies you only had the even numbered movies if you believed in that sort of thing. However, I DID like The Search for Spock and didn't care for Nemesis. Nemesis could have been better with some plot tweaks.
 
The '70s would've had some nice acronyms. Planet of the Titans, Phase II...

POTT
PII

Pot Pie... it's late at night. What the Hell am I thinking?
 
the two parter with "Terra Firma" is a good direction with how to tell a story in a non-rushed manner. That was one of the things that really helped Season 4 of ENT stand out. I hope they continue to try this going forward.
 
And, being CBS, it's politically neutral or right-leaning in terms of content. The only thing really progressive about it is diverse casting, which catches the Franchise up with other television, finally, and was long overdue rather than being some bold statement by the producers.

DIS represents ST catching up in terms of representation for gay men and lesbians. It's riding the way of transgender representation (shows like Transparent and Sense8 having gotten there first). But I'm honestly not aware of any other major network, cable, or streaming show to feature a non-binary actor in a prominent role as a non-binary character, so I think it would be fair to say that Star Trek: Discovery is a leader in terms of non-binary representation.

Also, I think you're understating the progressive politics of DIS. DIS's political themes include the importance of multiculturalism over nationalism (T'Kuvma and Klingon chauvinists in early S1 and the Terran Empire's human-supremacist regime in later S1 being clear statements of opposition to white nationalism and Trumpism); the importance of not adhering to liberal democratic values (via both the crew's rejection of the use of hydro bombs to genocide Qo'noS and the depiction of Section 31's secrecy and abuses leading to the threat from Control); a rejection of capitalism (the Emerald Chain is explicitly associated with capitalism in the penultimate episode of S3). The importance of multiculturalism over nationalism is a theme the show keeps coming back to, in fact -- it's probably the most explicit theme of S3, with the crew of the Discovery essentially advocating for multiculturalism against Trill nationalists, Earth nationalists, and Vulcan & Romulan nationalists.

These are all progressive themes.

I wish the producers would invest some of those millions in production costs in brighter set lighting.

I really like the lighting design of DIS. I find it much more cinematic. It makes the washed-out, overly-lit lighting of 1980s and 1990s television look cheap and amateurish by comparison.

As for the writing team, they're supposedly professionals who are supposed to have thicker skin

I mean, there's having a thick skin, and then there's a supposed-professional like Robert Meyer Burnett running around saying that "Unification III" writer Kirsten Beyer ought to be forced to walk the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame -- which, to be clear, is literally advocating for her to be sexually assaulted by forcing her to strip naked and walk in public as people scream and throw food at her. There are a lot of people who go from having criticism of the writing to engaging in what amounts to verbal abuse against the writers as people. That ain't acceptable no matter how "thick a skin" the writer is supposed to have.

I don't hate it. I don't like how urgent everything is all the time. I'd like for the show to slow down, tell a coherent story and develop the characters.

It's just the nature of modern television -- things are more fast-paced. That's the sort of thing where you have to evaluate the work on its own terms instead of asking it to be something else. You might as well ask Sunset Boulevard to be a musical comedy.
 
Robert Meyer Burnett running around saying that "Unification III" writer Kirsten Beyer ought to be forced to walk the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame
You know, I didn't think that could possible be real. And then I googled it, and it was real!
 
STD was the first abbreviation I saw and has just stuck with me, though because I know it annoys many people I'll usually use Discovery when discussing it.

For Picard I tend to use PIC and Lower Decks I tend to think of it as LD, they were both the first versions I saw and made most sense to me.
 
I mean, there's having a thick skin, and then there's a supposed-professional like Robert Meyer Burnett running around saying that "Unification III" writer Kirsten Beyer ought to be forced to walk the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame -- which, to be clear, is literally advocating for her to be sexually assaulted by forcing her to strip naked and walk in public as people scream and throw food at her. There are a lot of people who go from having criticism of the writing to engaging in what amounts to verbal abuse against the writers as people. That ain't acceptable no matter how "thick a skin" the writer is supposed to have.

Shame...

I think when people get mad about a TV show they need to reassess their priorities. Sadly we live in the age of internet hyperbole.
 
Robert Meyer Burnett is scum. Just look at how he defended Alec Peters for a year until they ended up threatening lawsuits. He leeched off Trek just the same as Alec did. And then his little bottom got hurt because the Guardian of Forever was a guy named Carl? I'll get the Manbulence.
 
For me the effect has multiple folds. One is the sheer amount of anger directed at Abrams, so much so that the Abrams' films pretty much were treated as not Trek across multiple sites I was on. So, that sets a sour tone for me with regarding any new Trek. In essence, it has to earn the privilege of being called "Star Trek" rather than just being Star Trek and worth discussing, the good,

Given the timeline story in the Abrams Trek it is probably the only Trek where I am ok with people saying it's not Trek. It's kinda its own thing off to the side for me and I think it's down to the individual to decide on this one.

The only thing I hate Abrams for is having to put up with 5 years of people going on about the absolute nonsense that was Lost and the horrible effects it has had on TV writing including Discovery
 
Given the timeline story in the Abrams Trek it is probably the only Trek where I am ok with people saying it's not Trek. It's kinda its own thing off to the side for me and I think it's down to the individual to decide on this one.
It makes sense. That's what they were going for. "Star Trek that's not that other Star Trek for nerds!" It worked, for a few movies anyway. I had friends who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching Star Trek who were interested in going to see those movies.
 
It makes sense. That's what they were going for. "Star Trek that's not that other Star Trek for nerds!" It worked, for a few movies anyway. I had friends who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching Star Trek who were interested in going to see those movies.
Indeed, yes, and I have often been happy as there were family who didn't like any SF at all (including Star Wars, Star Trek, and other big hitters) but enjoyed 09. It led to one family member watching DS9 after that because they liked 09 so much.

I think 09 was designed for a more general audience but still Star Trek in its core ideas.
 
I just avoid Robert Meyer Burnett videos on YouTube. I'm well enough aware of his reputation that I know they're going to be either a waste of time or unintentional comedy.
 
I mean, there's having a thick skin, and then there's a supposed-professional like Robert Meyer Burnett running around saying that "Unification III" writer Kirsten Beyer ought to be forced to walk the Game of Thrones Walk of Shame -- which, to be clear, is literally advocating for her to be sexually assaulted by forcing her to strip naked and walk in public as people scream and throw food at her. There are a lot of people who go from having criticism of the writing to engaging in what amounts to verbal abuse against the writers as people. That ain't acceptable no matter how "thick a skin" the writer is supposed to have.
Yeah, the more vile nature of some of the rhetoric is usually why I am more forgiving of the writers than what I generally see. These people are treated rather terribly and their work is scrutinized at every level. Yes, that is part of the job to a degree. But when you factor in the internet and the sense of entitlement that can be present in fandoms it escalates to ridiculous levels that drive me crazy.
 
Yeah, the more vile nature of some of the rhetoric is usually why I am more forgiving of the writers than what I generally see. These people are treated rather terribly and their work is scrutinized at every level. Yes, that is part of the job to a degree. But when you factor in the internet and the sense of entitlement that can be present in fandoms it escalates to ridiculous levels that drive me crazy.

People abuse writers and creators these days to extreme levels. They take it as a personal assault if a story or character is written in a way they don't like or don't expect...and they feel they can just attack and dismantle these people for no reason other than as backlash for their own personal disappointment.

It's one of the reasons I sometimes jump all over people here when they do it...or when they are emphatic that "TEH RITING IS TEH SUX!!!1!1" Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's the worst piece of trash ever, and the person who wrote it should be subjected to your ire.

I thought Star Trek: Insurrection was a complete pile of dog shit. But, I sure as heck don't "hate" Michael Piller (God rest his soul). I wasn't even remotely angry with him. I was just bummed that I didn't personally connect with the story he wrote.

People need to grow up.
 
I haven't liked Beyer's writing on the whole, especially Unification III, but apart from having her stick to print media, I don't wish her any ill will.
 
I haven't liked Beyer's writing on the whole, especially Unification III, but apart from having her stick to print media, I don't wish her any ill will.

I actually agree 100%. I think K. Beyer is a talented writer and a (seemingly) really nice human being.

But, her DSC episodes have, for some reason, completely missed the mark for me.
 
I don't really know who this Burnett is. I may have seen a video of his and skipped along. People talking about sci fi in youtube is usually pretty boring (except this guy Quinn who has lately been doing a series of thought provoking and entertaining ideas on Dune. I digress. but worth a look), but people like that get nasty because the more bombastic they are, the more red meat they toss to their little fan assortment, the more repeated likes and clicks they get. It doesn't matter how much the debase themselves of spread that kind of thinking mindset.

And it makes constructive critique of a writer who has already been textually assaulted difficult to do. It can also accomplish a bit of circle the wagons on behalf of production. Not always, but it can happen. As it is, I just take Unification III as one of those oddball goofy episodes I can do without watching again or thinking about. It's not the end of the universe.
 
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