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Why so few secondary characters in later Trek?

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I've always wondered why Voyager and Enterprise never bothered to develop a stable of secondary characters to round out the cast and make their starship environments seem more believable.

This was obviously a conscious choice on the part of the writers and producers given that by the late 90s (and certainly by the turn of the century) such characters were the staple of many shows.

I should clarify that when I say "secondary characters," I'm not talking about recurring guest stars. I'm talking about characters who have names, speak and are apart of the fabric of the show but not (at least initially) and integral part of anyone episode. As an example, on TNG, Chief O'Brien was on the Enterprise from day one. In the early years, he was rarely a central part of any story. However he was there on a regular basis doing a job and creating the atmosphere that the Enterprise was a "real" place. As the years progressed he occasionally got a plot line or two. Nure Ogawa was a similar character. Conversely, Barkley was a recurring guest star. The only times he appeard was if they were doing a "Barkley" story. In that sense he's like Q. I'd say that Guinan and Ensign Ro blurred the line between the two (especially since Guinan was actually called a "special guest star").

Even TOS had characters like Lt. Kyle on hand.

DS9 was positively overflowing with these characters. Garak, Nog, Rom, Morn, Leeta, Damar etc....some of those characters would go on to have more character development than most of the main cast of either Voyager or Enterprise (I actually believe that Nog had the most fully fleshed out character arc of ANY character in modern Trek after 7 years).

I point this out because these types of characters were not uncommon in other scifi shows running concurrently with Voyager or Enterprise. Say what you will about the Stargate franchise, but one of the things that the showrunners did really well was create fully fleshed out home bases full of recurring secondary characters. Walter only had one obvious job at the SGC and that was calling out chevrons...yet it was obvious when he was not there doing so and he became a regular fixture of the show. Atlantis had Maj. Lonre, Dr Zelinka etc.

NuBSG had so many fleshed out characters that it was not always obvious who rounded out the main cast.

What's really odd is that Voyager and Enterprise had environments conducive to such characters but never bothered to develop them. In Enterprise's case it was intentional. I recall an early interview with Berman where he mentioned something to the effect that fans could expect to see a number of recurring characters on the NX-01. Fans immediately thought that he was talking about like the great secondary's on DS9. But Berman would eventually go on to clarify that what he meant was characters like Ayala on Voyager. On hearing that I remember that my first question was...WHO? I watched Voyager for 7 years and had know freaking idea who they were talking about. I later learned that he was a guy that was essentially a glorified extra that had maybe 4 lines during the course of the show.

For Voyager the situation was even worse since they started out atleast TRYING to develop these characters before they were unceremoniously dumped (Joe Carey I'm looking at you).

I suppose that shows that could not even bother to flesh out their main cast just stopped trying to create a viable cast of secondary characters.

It just seems unfortunate.
 
They cost too much to bring back on a semi-regular basis.

VOY really lends itself to having a number of recurring characters, since there is only 150ish crew onboard. Of course that would mean having to keep track of things like continuity and development--and seeing as how few of the main characters got that after Seven's arrival then recurring characters would have become little more than cardboard cut-outs.
 
They cost too much to bring back on a semi-regular basis.

VOY really lends itself to having a number of recurring characters, since there is only 150ish crew onboard. Of course that would mean having to keep track of things like continuity and development--and seeing as how few of the main characters got that after Seven's arrival then recurring characters would have become little more than cardboard cut-outs.

Cost cannot be the reason since shows with much smaller budgets managed to have lots of them.

The inability to manage an ensemble cast seems to have been a problem for Enterprise as well.
 
Cost cannot be the reason since shows with much smaller budgets managed to have lots of them. . .

Which "shows with much smaller budgets" are you referring to? Stargate series? NuBSG? Those were both filmed in Canada where expenses are lower. VOY and ENT were both filmed in Hollywood, which has higher production costs. Plus every series except TNG and DS9 was a network production, which means network interference on budgets, stories, and casting. VOY even had to do a damned wrestling episode only to promote the network's new wrestling show.
 
For the most part, some of the so-called "regulars" on the later shows were secondary characters, IMO.
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^ Yeah, the current trend may be what's called "ensemble casting", but with any show there always seems to be a group of 2 to 5 who get the most screen time. In TOS' day, they were simply given a "Featuring" or "With" credit, instead of Main Title billing.
 
I think VGR had a decent number of recurring players, like Carey, Hogan, the Wildmans, Vorik, Tal Celes, Icheb, and Mezoti. But a number of the characters they developed on a recurring basis ended up being killed off, like Hogan and Suder.

I think part of the problem is that UPN pressured the show to limit continuity and ongoing story arcs. So there wasn't as much encouragement for building a rich, evolving ensemble like DS9 had.

Enterprise actually had a pretty large ensemble of recurring characters -- but only a few of them were NX-01 crewmembers like Cutler, Rostov, Major Hayes, or Kelby. There was Admiral Forrest, Soval, Shran, Daniels, Silik, Future Guy, T'Les, Koss, Duras, Degra and the Xindi Council, Erika Hernandez... well, I won't count the ones who were in multiple episodes of a single story arc, like Arik Soong, V'Las, Valdore, or Gannett Brooks.
 
Some of those recurring characters on DS9--Garak, Dukat, Damar, Weyoun, Winn, among others--really should have been regular cast members. Unfortunately, all Trek series are designed to have the cast be largely the crew of the hero ship, meaning that many primary antagonists did not appear as often as they probably should have.
 
Captain Boday and Ensign Vilx'pran were mentioned all of the time on DS9. Kinda like how Enterprise had their running gag with Chef always being mentioned but never seeing him. TATV doesn't count! :p
 
It probably would have been better to keep the Delaneys as off-screen characters. Once they showed up, they seemed to lose their mystery.
 
Voyager did have some background extras who became somewhat noticeable. Off the top of my head, there was a black guy with gray hair who shows up quite a lot during the second and third seasons.
 
In the context of this thread, it was pretty hilarious when Voyager brought back Carey after an absence of several seasons just to give him the Red Shirt treatment and kill him off.
 
with regards to Carey, the story that I've heard/seen on the internet is they thought they had killed him off, so that's why they never brought him back (until they decided to do so just to kill him).
 
Rick Berman's estimation of Star Trek fan:

"What, who is this person with only one or two pips on their collar? S/he is not in every single episode, is not hot and is not an adorable child. My brain is not big enough to store the necessary information and backstory to associate with this character. I am CONFUSED! RAGEQUIT!"
 
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