Why no decent shots of Klingon D7 in Remastered Trek??
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No. As the Romulan battlecruiser decloaks on the viewscreen, Scotty exclaims, "That's a Klingon vessel!"
Anyone know when the remastered series is going to start getting released on DVD? I missed most of them due to less-then-stellar advertising on the part of my local TV stations as to when they were supposed to be shown.
Spock follows it up by saying "Intelligence confirms that the Romulans are now using Klingon designs". That, along with the new, advanced cloaking device, forshadowed that it was a starfleet operation to gain intelligence about recent advances that the Romulans made.
How? By having there be the linear ancestor to the Klingon version of the BoP in ENT? That means nothing, they could've had that design for a while but just started calling it the "Bird of Prey" after they got the cloak on it, to "honor" their Romulan allies.
They got the cloak from the Romulans, not ship design. It's the Romulans who got ships from the Klingons.
They got the cloak from the Romulans, not ship design. It's the Romulans who got ships from the Klingons.
It should be pointed out that the Bird of Prey in Enterprise don't have feathers (which later BoPs do).
I've always thought it was a trade of D7s for Cloaks. I know fiction of the time speculated that the Romulans also got warp drive, but its always seemed a bit far fetched that the Romulans wouldn't have had warp drive when fighting in the Romulan War (debate for another time, though).
I've always thought it was a trade of D7s for Cloaks. I know fiction of the time speculated that the Romulans also got warp drive, but its always seemed a bit far fetched that the Romulans wouldn't have had warp drive when fighting in the Romulan War (debate for another time, though).
The Romulans always had Warp Drive. Heck, they left Vulcan in primitve Vulcan Warp ships didn't they?
What didn't make sense was Scotty's line about their power being only impulse, and that was due to the TOS staff not having hammered down what those terms referred to back in TOS season 1. Scotty's "Impulse power" line probably referred to them having a less powerful antimatter core than their FTL capacity.
What didn't make sense was Scotty's line about their power being only impulse, and that was due to the TOS staff not having hammered down what those terms referred to back in TOS season 1. Scotty's "Impulse power" line probably referred to them having a less powerful antimatter core than their FTL capacity.
The ship itself looks like a cross between the original Romulan Bird-of-Prey and the Klingon D7. This is especially evident when the ship has its wings upward (If I recall correctly, this is also how we saw the BoP when it first appeared on screen). Seeing as how Kruge's BoP in Star Trek III was originally meant to have been a stolen Romulan ship, the design made even more sense. Up until ENT came along, this was popular fanon. But since this was never canon, the producers of ENT cleanly got away with it. Rather than come up with an original Klingon ship based on the D7 (actually they did, but B&B hated it because it didn't have lots of 24th century "glowies").
I always smile when I see fans that seemingly didn't pay attention to the episode. It wasn't so much that the Romulan Bird-of-Prey was only capable of impulse speed, as it was that the Romulan BoP could only go at impulse because their fuel was dangerously low. It is even strongly implied that the powerful cloaking device, in conjunction with the equally powerful plasma weapon, was responsible for this. As if the ship's power was all tied together. One Romulan even states that this mission was a test run. The arrogant miscalculation resulted in the Romulan ship wimpering back over the Neutral Zone. The top speed of the Romulan ship is irrelevant, as it is never stated and never seen.
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Where can we see this Ent era Klingon design based on the D7 (that the B's hated so) and are you sure the Romulan mission in "Balance of Terror " was a test run...I don't recall that.
Where can we see this Ent era Klingon design based on the D7 (that the B's hated so) and are you sure the Romulan mission in "Balance of Terror " was a test run...I don't recall that.
The staff of ENT said that they did come up with a new model for the ancestor to the D-7, but there was a mistake when they did the episode and they ended up using the K'Tinga model from TUC instead, they came forward and apologized and stuff. It wasn't because B&B hated it.
There's some article on DITL about it.
And yes, I do remember the Romulan commander talking about exhausting their fuel, but I was also referring to when Kirk said "can we overtake them" and Scotty said "No question, their power is purely Impulse".
Scotty probably meant that even at full fuel capacity the Romulan ship was slower because they had "only Impulse power", but this was before they decided that Impulse referred to the sublight engines, and back in BoT it probably referred to some energy reaction that was weaker than the Enterprise's Antimatter core.
There's some article on DITL about it.
And yes, I do remember the Romulan commander talking about exhausting their fuel, but I was also referring to when Kirk said "can we overtake them" and Scotty said "No question, their power is purely Impulse".
Scotty probably meant that even at full fuel capacity the Romulan ship was slower because they had "only Impulse power", but this was before they decided that Impulse referred to the sublight engines, and back in BoT it probably referred to some energy reaction that was weaker than the Enterprise's Antimatter core.
^ What Scotty meant was that they were only using Impulse power at the time. Remember the Romulans were still cloaked and powering up their FTL drive would have disabled the cloak.
^ Also, Romulan ships use artificial black holes in their engine core. Scotty might not have realized this, and therefore assumed that the Romulan BOP didn't have warp.
Yes it was. It wasn't a mistake. They producers refused to air the model because it didn't have hundreds of larger windows all over the ship and also because they wanted other changes. The artists said "no" because they were too exhausted from working on Broken Bow. So B&B, not giving a fuck, went with a K't'inga-class model thinking no one would care. And even if it was a mistake, why didn't we see the original D4 ship used again? The truth was B&B hated it, and so the Bird-of-Preyish D5 we saw later on was used instead.
The easiest way to see the ship without combing the internet for "D4", is to go to Memory Alpha and type in "Vorok's battle cruiser". In Balance of Terror, the "mission" of the Romulan ship is revealed to be an evaluation of the Romulan military ability (specifically the Praetor's flagship, the ship in the episode) and the weakness of Earth. On the way home, after utterly destroying the Federation Outposts, Decius proclaims the mission a success and even arrogantly breaks the code of silence to inform the Praetor himself of this. The Romulan Commander then speculates that this will convince the Empire to go to war.
To be exact, the Praetor's finest and proudest flagship. No doubt he has a garage full of them, in all colors of the rainbow, even if some aren't as proud as the others.
In other words, no, this isn't a command vessel on which the Praetor flies his flag (he'd demand more headroom, I'm sure). But it is the pride of the fleet - or one of them at any rate - in the same way a specific ship or ships can be flagship to a cruise line.
And yeah, the Romulan mission seems to have been a single probing raid. But there's no telling whether it was part of a wider campaign or not. As Kirk holds back initially, the Romulan commander says that "studying the enemy for weaknesses" is what he himself would do. If this were his very mission to begin with, he'd probably phrase that a bit differently...
Since the Romulans are operating a WWII submarine here, it would be natural for them to operate like a WWII submarine does: sniping at targets of opportunity, at the skipper's discretion. The mission might have been a generic "Go out there and wreak havoc", assigned to dozens of ships simultaneously. Our commander just chose to be bolder than others, going against Earth military outposts, and paid the price.
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