Thus, Star Trek becomes and anthology show
Yet again, another 'defense' of the new movie that's pretty much insulting the franchise thus far... Really, it does bring home the "Star Trek for people who hate Star Trek" meme pretty solidly, doesn't it?
Hell if you feel so strongly about it dude, I'll pay for yah to go see it![]()
So do I hate ST, too?
No, because you confuse "stupid and silly" with "I don't like it." Both with fans here and JJ Abrams. Knight Rider (the original) is stupid and silly, but I love it. Eureka is stupid and silly, but I love it. A lot of Stargate is stupid and silly, but I love it. Doctor Who, old and new, is stupid and silly ("Would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?"), but I love it and have watched it most of my life. Star Trek TOS is stupid and silly, but I love it anyway. Because it was fun. Because it was entertaining. Because it was goofy.So do I hate ST, too?
If your defense of the movie consists of "Yeah, Star Trek is stupid and silly, but it's ALWAYS been stupid and silly," as some have stated here, can't you see why it would be easy to draw that conclusion?
Thus, Star Trek becomes and anthology show
TOS was essentially an anthology show. The episodes were designed to be played, mostly, in any order and GR and other production team members sometimes overwrote their own past canonical events and character details when the needs of the script warranted it.
Lemme try to strike a middle path between you and CRA here.And so long as it was a stand-alone project, I wouldn't give a rip either way.
But second that "Star Trek" label gets attached, it carries with it a responsibility to the rest of the franchise, just like any segment of any other series.
It appears that JJ is not living up to that responsibility.
No it carries no responsibility to anyone or anything except the box office and to provide good entertainment.
This is a fictional Universe and in no way changes or erases anything on our beloved DVDs.
Otherwise it's a reboot. Soft, hard, erotic, XXX. Canon is nothing more than an anchor holding it down.
Hopefully, and it seems this way, Abrams is cutting the chain.
I don't think anyone's saying it's in a class by itself; I think they're saying that philosophical considerations are an essential aspect of pretty much any good SF, including Star Trek.OK, so you can stretch a message from those stories, but without the message you'd just have a sequence of events anyway. I wouldn't expect a soap opera to carry any particular message in its story lines, but what about other sci fi? Are Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (both versions), Star Gate, Dr Who stories devoid of such content? Serious question because its not the message in the episodes that consciously sticks with me.
I know Star Trek is good, I like it, and I know it carries social commentary, but its not the collection of parabels that some fans hold it to be...
That's hardly an unreasonable conclusion for people to draw. Both terms are generally derogatory, after all.No, because you confuse "stupid and silly" with "I don't like it."So do I hate ST, too?
If your defense of the movie consists of "Yeah, Star Trek is stupid and silly, but it's ALWAYS been stupid and silly," as some have stated here, can't you see why it would be easy to draw that conclusion?
...As you do here. Props to you for that, at least. Of course, other fans are certainly free to disagree about the terms on which it can be enjoyed.Star Trek TOS is stupid and silly, but I love it anyway. Because it was fun. Because it was entertaining. Because it was goofy.
I completely agree with you (and countless others) that those are the best of the movies. I completely disagree, though, if you consider them "stupid" or (except for a few moments of STIV) "silly."But my Star Trek love? Star Trek's 2-4 and 6. And maybe First Contact. I love those movies and watch them repeatedly even now.
Absolutely not. The movies, by and large, avoid the silly. But large swaths of TOS ARE. Giant space hands. Space hippies. Alternate versions of the US and Soviet Union. A freaking Liberace clone. There are also pieces that are NOT goofy. But yeah, a lot of TOS is stupid and silly. Maybe not for you, and go you, but yeah, space hippies are silly.That's hardly an unreasonable conclusion for people to draw. Both terms are generally derogatory, after all.No, because you confuse "stupid and silly" with "I don't like it."If your defense of the movie consists of "Yeah, Star Trek is stupid and silly, but it's ALWAYS been stupid and silly," as some have stated here, can't you see why it would be easy to draw that conclusion?
If someone wants to defend Star Trek as a "guilty pleasure," then they should really make it unequivocally clear that that's what they're doing.
...As you do here. Props to you for that, at least. Of course, other fans are certainly free to disagree about the terms on which it can be enjoyed.Star Trek TOS is stupid and silly, but I love it anyway. Because it was fun. Because it was entertaining. Because it was goofy.
I do disagree: I tend not to like things that are stupid and silly, but I do like TOS. "Fun," yes; "goofy," not so much... at least not in the good episodes. And it tended to have more of those, and to hit an impressively high level of storytelling more consistently, than any of the follow-up series in the franchise, IMHO.
I completely agree with you (and countless others) that those are the best of the movies. I completely disagree, though, if you consider them "stupid" or (except for a few moments of STIV) "silly."But my Star Trek love? Star Trek's 2-4 and 6. And maybe First Contact. I love those movies and watch them repeatedly even now.
Now, if the theatre experience was really good, and affordable, and not the expensive pain-in-the-ass it is today, I would look at Trek as a 'second tier' movie for me, and go see it in a cheap seat. But, since that's not really an option... it's actually just cheaper and easier (emphasis on easier) for me to get it on disc when the time comes.
On the other hand... we as audience shouldn't really give a hoot about story considerations driven by "box office" as opposed to creative integrity, and what qualifies as "good entertainment" can't be determined in a vacuum when there's such a well-known label ("Star Trek") attached. Canon isn't a "chain," it's what gives you a fictional universe rather than just a random assortment of unrelated stories. And I certainly hope what JJA is doing doesn't wind up having to be categorized as a "reboot."
If you don't find any of that silly, good for you. To me, and a LOT of other people though, it is.
Absolutely. It doesn't make Trek bad, just silly many times. But in a GOOD way. In an enjoyable fun way. But silly nevertheless.Silly and sometimes "stupid" seeming for sure. But we say that in an endearing way. Most people are taking it so wrong when the term "stupid and silly" is used. Most of Trek has been. But I/we love it and enjoy it. Not saying it makes Trek bad in anyway. Just being real with what it sometimes is.
Absolutely. It doesn't make Trek bad, just silly many times. But in a GOOD way. In an enjoyable fun way. But silly nevertheless.Silly and sometimes "stupid" seeming for sure. But we say that in an endearing way. Most people are taking it so wrong when the term "stupid and silly" is used. Most of Trek has been. But I/we love it and enjoy it. Not saying it makes Trek bad in anyway. Just being real with what it sometimes is.
Important life lesson coming:
You are not a special unique snowflake.
The universe does not revolve around you.
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