Why it is important some people are unhappy
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The Big Goobye's message was that you should try to get along with races, try to understand them, even when they are pedantic. Good relations are essential, don't just abandon people. Also, even 24th Century programming can go wrong!
But, you know all this anyway.
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But, you know all this anyway.
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I haven't been at warp 10 so I don't know. But the message is still there.
That bit about the lizards is a bit dubious, I admit, but it doesn;t mean all of ST is just action-adventure, and it's certainly not comparible to He man!
Yeah it is - Situation, action, simplistic moral lecture (and if it's TOS) people standing around laughing at a joke (and in one situation after a number of crewmen have just died horribly - anyone want to name the episode?)
That's before we even touch on the casual racism behind many of the morals - What's the episode where the big white paternalist Picard lectures the savage black natives on morals?
Justice isn't it?
That's before we even touch on the casual racism behind many of the morals - What's the episode where the big white paternalist Picard lectures the savage black natives on morals?
Justice isn't it?
Can't remember the one where they all laughed when someone died, I'm afraid. And the race in Justice were played by whites.
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I'm pretty sure it's the Galileo 7 isn't it? most of the shuttle crew have died and a planet is dying of plague - and the episode ends with them all standing around having a laugh.
The TNG episode I'm thinking of is is maybe Code of Honor?
I think that you're clutching at straws in the case of the Galileo Seven, Joe. Kirk nealry lost his friends, that's why he laughed, to relieve the tension. Even moral beings do this. Soldiers in the trenches in WW1 laughed occasionally.
Code of honour did have africans playing the part, but have you ever thought that the Borg are deadly white? Q is very white, and he is the villian sometimes. Are you saying because the Ferengi are orange, that ST is racist against the Red Indian?
ST may not be perfect, but at least it's trying and it's better than being amoral.
Code of honour did have africans playing the part, but have you ever thought that the Borg are deadly white? Q is very white, and he is the villian sometimes. Are you saying because the Ferengi are orange, that ST is racist against the Red Indian?
ST may not be perfect, but at least it's trying and it's better than being amoral.
Yeah, "Galileo 7" among others.
"Code Of Honor" was an awful misfire - I think the producers thought that since every alien world Trek had ever visited had been occupied solely by white folks, it was time for a planet populated by people of a different ethnicity - but that whole concept was just way off-key. A dud.
In the interests of accuracy, though, the aliens were the ones who went off at the end self-satisfied that while the Federation might exceed them in technology, they did not "in civilized behavior."
"Justice" was a couple of weeks later, and did feature Picard putting the natives of Planet San Fernando Valley in their place as far as their legal system was concerned.
"Symbiosis" was the episode in which Roddenberry decided that Trek should do a "'Just Say No' Afternoon Special" about not using drugs - rather incredible, considering his personal habits.
Yeah, especially by the time of TNG the worst episodes of "Star Trek" were when TV writers decided they had something Important to teach the home audience.
Occupying the entire universe is a relativistic concept. The faster you travel, the greater your mass and the more energy required to increase that velocity. By the time you get to the speed of light, you are infinitely massive and need infinite energy. This aspect of the warp 10 barrier I can buy, it is supposed to be unattainable because to achieve it would exhaust the universe.
The bit about the lizards isn't a bit dubious, its rubbish. I am embarrassed for the writer because its the worst bad science I have ever encountered and exactly why star trek and canon are contradictory.
It's only one episode out of 400 or so, Butter.
What about Khan being dead for 200 years in Space Seed? What about 1996?
You can change some of the details, but I think that the message aspect should be kept. Human are alive in the future, they are controlled, decent and tolerant and more evolved than us, thought they have not forgotten their roots.
ST11 seems to have made them a bit more brat-like, to satisfy the me generation, but I suppose it will have to do.
What about Khan being dead for 200 years in Space Seed? What about 1996?
You can change some of the details, but I think that the message aspect should be kept. Human are alive in the future, they are controlled, decent and tolerant and more evolved than us, thought they have not forgotten their roots.
ST11 seems to have made them a bit more brat-like, to satisfy the me generation, but I suppose it will have to do.
What about that Finnegan bloke that kept kicking the crap out of Kirk when he was a cadet. What about Mudd? TOS has its fair share of arseholes in its enlightened society.
We don't watch for the message, we watch for the story and how watching it makes us feel. If the film makes me feel woa yeah! without a single poignient moment for me to mull over, so what.
What if the message is don't mess with Kirk and the gang?
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Could that not be the message for Trek VI too if its the vacuous thrillfest you're expecting it to be? Watch the film, have fun, no harm done?
The writer of that episode seemed to think that people could "devolve" and that was it was a part of evolution theory!
You know it is possible that the message of the new movie is simply don't screw with the timeline because you don't know what the consequences are.
Yeah, whats with this evolution insanity? The whole theory is so beautiful in its simplicity I can't understand how Trek so consistently cocks it up.
If I relied on Star Trek for my understanding of science, creationism and intelligent design would probably start to make sense.
The character of Captain Robau is Cuban, as it happens. The actor playing him is Pakistani.
