why is star trek original series disliked

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by tmosler, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. Warped9

    Warped9 Admiral Admiral

    Aug 3, 2003
    Brockville, Ontario, Canada
    You'll have to explain that rather that just state it flatly and expect it to just be accepted.

    SW simply established a popular formula for sci-fi, but it still doesn't define what a science fiction film has to be. SW was a straight-up adventure story with a measure of action and pacing. It was essentially a tip-of-the-hat to old sci-fi serials and pulp stories. And there was little depth to it either. Ironically the core of SW can be traced right back to E.E. Doc Smith and Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter stories. The irony, of course, is that John Carter eventually made it to film long after SW and JC seemed (to some) derivative when it's actually the other way around.

    There was a spate of SF oriented films coming out in the '70s and '80s and they shared some elements and also could be distinct from each other in other ways. SW wasn't the only successful one, but it's one that doesn't have a lot of meat-and-potatoes to it. If anything SW (along with Jaws) began the formula for the block-buster feature rather than defining the formula for successful sci-fi---make it slick and not necessarily deep. Abrams' Trek followed the SW formula exactly.

    Make it slick and flashy and dumb it way down. But that doesn't mean a sci-fi or science fiction film has to be done like that.
  2. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

    Dec 23, 2004
    Northern Ireland
    The irony, it burns...
  3. Warped9

    Warped9 Admiral Admiral

    Aug 3, 2003
    Brockville, Ontario, Canada
    I could tell you what you can do with your remark, but I'd be wasting my breathe.
  4. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

  5. Richard Baker

    Richard Baker Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 11, 2008
    Warrior, AL
    TOS Trek has a special charm for me- I watched it on the first airing (along with VttBotS and LiS, etc...) and it was always a world I wanted to be a part of. Out of all the different series and despite all the budgets the TOS Bridge is still my favorite- it looked clean, practical and capable of controlling the entire ship as a nerve center. It did not upstage the characters but supported them.
    The shows and acting was sometimes hit of miss, but the dynamics of the cast were wonderful. You could tell they had a history together and enjoyed what they were doing.
    I am probably one of the few that prefer the remastered shows- the shows are still the same but the SFX and planetary vistas are more realistic. I do like model shots, even obvious ones like in the Gerry Anderson shows, but when you see the ship pass by and can see interiors through the windows the ship becomes more than just a thing on a filming stand.
    Other shows may benefit from modern techniques and bigger budgets, but what happened in the sixties has not repeated yet.
  6. Noname Given

    Noname Given Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    None Given
    I think you really need to catch up on film history as the original 'Star Wars' harkened back more to the Saturday Matinee serials of the 1930ies, 1940ies, and early 1950ies.

    It DID strike a chord with movie goers in 1977 (and yes, with me too when I was 14 years old.) It didn't really 'revolutionize' science fiction movies - but it did stimulate interest in visual effects, and make science fiction a popular film (and TV) genre again back in those days.
  7. DCR

    DCR Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 15, 2013
    Wentworth Hall, Tellus of Sol
    For what it's worth, TOS is my 11-year-old daughter's favorite (and she doesn't like Abrams at all).

    I personally think it's all about judging the series on its own merits, not against the others. I also think TOS benefited from some truly stellar writers.
  8. gomtuu20

    gomtuu20 Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 22, 2008
    Beyond Antares

    Hey, that's what I was going to say!
  9. YARN

    YARN Fleet Captain

    Aug 8, 2010
    There is egocentrism, ethnocentrism, and there is chronocentrism, which involves (1) the tendency to judge past events by modern standards, (2) reflects the naive progressive belief that we moderns "get it" and that people in the past were not merely different but inferior, (3) a failure to attempt what Gadamer describes as a fusion of horizons (basically the good faith attempt to view the past on its own terms).

    It's funny, because part of how we judge old Trek to be regressive is a result of the forward thinking successes of the old show - it pushed boundaries and set standards for science fiction - and now when we see what set the standard it seems all too safe and even predictable.
  10. Runetouch

    Runetouch Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 22, 2014
    TOS isn't a disliked show. While some do criticise it, at the same time, it is probably most people's second favourite Trek show.
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    I think generally, outside of fandom, it's most folks favorite version of Star Trek.
  12. Irishman

    Irishman Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Aug 9, 2004
    Charlotte, NC
    I dunno. If you're right, how do you explain Jar Jar Binks?
  13. RandyS

    RandyS Vice Admiral Admiral

    Nov 9, 2007
    Well, you could make the argument that there are exceptions to every rule.;)

    But also remember that Jar Jar was created roughly four or five years before the whole "dark" thing told hold, so that probably plays into it too.
  14. Vandervecken

    Vandervecken Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 1, 2012
    I was swept up by TNG when it came out, and enjoyed DS9 and Voy (yes, I liked Voy), but over the years it's TOS I always revisit to watch again and again.

    Funny how Best of Both Worlds doesn't really hold up for me for terror and grand scope, but The Doomsday Machine does (unremastered; I did a side-by-side comparison of the DMs in both and the original DM [the device itself] is far superior. The new one is too dark, doesn't have the same realistic "dirty" look, and most importantly its maw is just a static sun-furnace, instead of the cool and terrifying kaleidoscope of exotic energies we see in the original).
  15. FreedPhotons

    FreedPhotons Ensign Red Shirt

    Feb 9, 2014
    Personally I wonder why it's so well liked, not disliked...

    But to answer the question of why don't people like it":

    I've seen the 5 series, and I found TOS the worst by far. I have respect for it in that without it there wouldn't have been any of the other four series. But most of the stories are grotesquely obvious, the morals are shaky at best (and very different from later ST, since the "Prime Directive" doesn't really seem to exist, the sexism is vomit-inducing, etc...). I find Cpt Kirk to be especially detestable, thick headed and narrow-minded. I also dislike the complete lack of any kind of story arc, etc.

    As to MY question of why people like it, I figure that...
    It was the one that started it all. It was a good first try, a good blueprint that was much improved upon later on. It has all the elements that allowed later series to be successful. However it's the one that most people have seen FIRST - and there's a well known cognitive bias which pushes people to prefer that which they've experienced (seen, tasted, heard...) first. So I get it and I don't judge (btw, TOS is the last series I've seen, so the cognitive bias works the other way with me).