why is star trek original series disliked

[RandyS]

If you grew up watching a b&w television (at least for a few years at first) then you likely were more receptive to older b&w films and television shows. But if all you ever knew was color TV then your experience and biases might be quite different.

Not all of today's youth are write-offs, so to speak. I've known a few that aren't put off by b&w or dated production standards and f/x---indeed they're actually quite interested in what came before.

I didn't mean to imply that today's youth are all write-offs. Just that they come off as the most arrogant and close-minded generation I've ever seen.

That doesn't necessarily make them write-offs.

That's what every single generation says about the generations that come after them

"oh but no, this time it's different!"

THIS time it IS different, same as last time. You want to know why? Simple. Because I'm involved.

Last time, I knew better than the out of touch adults.

This time, I know better than the snot-nose little punks who haven't lived yet.

In short, I'm always right.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

It's really interesting, to a certain degree, I've seen this "generational" thing almost come full circle within Trek fandom itself. Being 44, I'm old enough to recall the reported outrage from certain TOS fans when TNG was in development back in the day - "how could they - the very idea" etc.

Now, Abrams Trek has many TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT era aficionado's proclaiming it's "not real Trek" or "it works as an action movie, but it's not Trek" and so on. I can't help but have a little chuckle. For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

 

[BillJ]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

This is how I feel as well. Actually, the Abrams movies have really dulled how I feel about Modern Trek.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

This is how I feel as well. Actually, the Abrams movies have really dulled how I feel about Modern Trek.

I know what you mean, Bill. I'll always adore all of Trek, but Abrams' films have entered my personal Trek pantheon joining TOS as part of the same thing, e.g., the highest quality Trek - exciting, colourful action adventure, with those wonderful, iconic characters. Honestly, I never even hoped we'd get classic Trek of this type again.

Some of the post TOS televised Trek can seem a little sterile in comparison.

 

[Warped9]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

I'll simply say I will be so damned glad when Abrams' tenure is done.

 

[Kemaiku]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

I'll simply say I will be so damned glad when Abrams' tenure is done.

And thats what I don't understand. Because the minute he is no longer involved the franchise is up for grabs again, with the profit Paramount is making they'll be straight onto creating a new film, show or other merchandise even further different from JJ's.

You'll just have another Trek, even more different, which no doubt we'll get an earful of your rhetoric over as well.

 

[The Old Mixer]

They can do what they want with it going forward...it doesn't change the hundreds of hours of Trek that we've already got.

Regarding the generational argument...us "old-timers" shouldn't be on the defensive...it's always the younger generation who think they know everything, who think nobody else has ever experienced what they're experiencing. At least we've been there and know better...and we get the last laugh, because we know that someday, they're going to be us....

 

[BillJ]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

I'll simply say I will be so damned glad when Abrams' tenure is done.

The Abramsverse is not perfect but it is far more enjoyable than most of Modern Trek. I think it misses the weird vibe that TOS communicated so well, but other than that I'm enjoying the ride.

 

[Warped9]

For me, STID is truly a return to TOS in an extremely tangible way - albeit with a shiny, modern gloss.

I'll simply say I will be so damned glad when Abrams' tenure is done.

And thats what I don't understand. Because the minute he is no longer involved the franchise is up for grabs again, with the profit Paramount is making they'll be straight onto creating a new film, show or other merchandise even further different from JJ's.

You'll just have another Trek, even more different, which no doubt we'll get an earful of your rhetoric over as well.

You don't know anything for certain. They could just as easily inject the next reboot with a good dose of the TOS vibe that the current version presently lacks. It could be surprisingly a lot smarter...which at this point actually wouldn't be very hard.

I don't expect the next reboot to revert to the prime universe particularly if they stick with the TOS era. And in all honesty it would probably be best to forge a new continuity. But I could appreciate something that actually felt more like the original subject matter.

I don't resent and dislike JJ"s trek for being a reboot. I dislike it for being flat out bad and a poor reboot.

 

[Kinokima]

Whether people like the Abrams version or not it definitely introduced people to the original series who might not have watched it otherwise.

Yes i realize not everyone who watched and enjoyed Abrams!Trek checked out the original series. But I know a lot of people who did, including a lot of kids. To get kids into older series you need some sort of bridge and I think the new movies are that bridge.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

You don't know anything for certain. They could just as easily inject the next reboot with a good dose of the TOS vibe that the current version presently lacks.

I couldn't disagree with this more. ST'09, and particularly STID, had the TOS vibe in spades. In fact, for me, STID was "my" Trek literally brought back to life in front of my very eyes.

Whether people like the Abrams version or not it definitely introduced people to the original series who might not have watched it otherwise.

Agreed.

 

[BillJ]

Star Trek Into Darkness was the most fun I've had watching Star Trek since seeing The Undiscovered Country in 1991.

 

[Kemaiku]

You don't know anything for certain. They could just as easily inject the next reboot with a good dose of the TOS vibe that the current version presently lacks.

I couldn't disagree with this more. ST'09, and particularly STID, had the TOS vibe in spades. In fact, for me, STID was "my" Trek literally brought back to life in front of my very eyes.

Whether people like the Abrams version or not it definitely introduced people to the original series who might not have watched it otherwise.

Agreed.

Indeed, this version has quite a lot of the so called 'TOS vibe' since it's literally given a good chunk of the fandom the heftiest dose of nostalgia for it in years.

Star Trek Into Darkness was the most fun I've had watching Star Trek since seeing The Undiscovered Country in 1991.

Same here, I was sold on a third movie by the opening credits of this one.

 

[Warped9]

I'll never understand how anyone can see TOS in Abrams' work. It's so divorced from the source material. I will never, ever get it.

Whatever...

 

[Kemaiku]

And I honestly cannot see how you don't when millions of Trek fans have, and continue to, and it has enriched their enjoyment of the franchise as a whole.

It is not "divorced", it is not "lacking", is it not "against" anything, you keep saying this, have been saying it for over 4 years and conveniently cannot actually specify how, why or what exactly it is that you cannot "find" in it.

And you've had more than long enough to make even one proper attempt to do so. All I have even seen is angry, hateful, vitriolic posts condemning not only the films but attacking everyone who enjoyed it simply because you don't.

It is not fair to call thousands of people the things you have just because they enjoyed a film, yet you keep doing it and not substantiating any of it.

Frankly, I'm more sick of you and your nonsense than you are of these films, because at the end of the day, the things you rant against aren't even real, you're a very real annoyance we have to put up with daily over a form of entertaintment.

The people of this forum have the right to like all forms of Trek and not be called names and suffer your constant insinuations of them being uneducated, mentally deficient, morally corrupt or whatever other idiotic bullshit you've come out with because you can't stand something changed in 50 years.

It happens, and will continue to. TOS we be rebooted again after Abrams, you can accept it and calm down, or keep ranting and keep receiving this responce, your choice.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Warped9 is entitled to his opinion, and although I seem to enjoy the Abrams films a bit more than him, I agree with that opinion more than not. For everything the Abrams films get "right" about TOS, they get at least one other thing "wrong"...IMO.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I'll never understand how anyone can see TOS in Abrams' work. It's so divorced from the source material. I will never, ever get it.

Whatever...

It's weird, but I can't understand why you can't see it, Warped9! Beyond the "feel", the sets, the uniforms, the ships are all clearly polished and shiny versions of TOS.

The "cold open" of STID on Nibiru could almost be a unused script from TOS IMHO - just pure Star Trek.

 

[Kinokima]

I definitely think the old series is way better than the movies. But then I admit I am heavily biased towards all things classic and old storytelling styles which of course the original Trek emphasized.

However I think as far as new movies go the new star trek films are a lot of fun and are a great introduction to the original series.

 

[Warped9]

And I honestly cannot see how you don't when millions of Trek fans have, and continue to, and it has enriched their enjoyment of the franchise as a whole.

It is not "divorced", it is not "lacking", is it not "against" anything, you keep saying this, have been saying it for over 4 years and conveniently cannot actually specify how, why or what exactly it is that you cannot "find" in it.

And you've had more than long enough to make even one proper attempt to do so. All I have even seen is angry, hateful, vitriolic posts condemning not only the films but attacking everyone who enjoyed it simply because you don't.

It is not fair to call thousands of people the things you have just because they enjoyed a film, yet you keep doing it and not substantiating any of it.

Frankly, I'm more sick of you and your nonsense than you are of these films, because at the end of the day, the things you rant against aren't even real, you're a very real annoyance we have to put up with daily over a form of entertaintment.

The people of this forum have the right to like all forms of Trek and not be called names and suffer your constant insinuations of them being uneducated, mentally deficient, morally corrupt or whatever other idiotic bullshit you've come out with because you can't stand something changed in 50 years.

It happens, and will continue to. TOS we be rebooted again after Abrams, you can accept it and calm down, or keep ranting and keep receiving this responce, your choice.

Millions of people around the world do things all the time I don't agree with at all and refrain from doing. If they want to inhale what's being put out then good for them. I, and others, can wait to see if someone else comes along and can re-imagine something more to our liking. I'm not someone who subscribes to the notion that just because so many x number of people are doing something then that automatically makes it right and I should be doing it as well. If something smells bad then I won't go near it no matter how many think I'm misguided for passing up the chance.

I have also been on the other side of this issue, of really enjoying something that others have disliked or even pissed on. Things like the Nolan Batman trilogy and, oh yeah, TOS.

 

[BillJ]

I have also been on the other side of this issue, of really enjoying something that others have disliked or even pissed on. Things like the Nolan Batman trilogy and, oh yeah, TOS.

Batman Begins got an 85% 'fresh' rating on Rotten Tomatoes and did $374 million dollars.

The Dark Knight got an 94% 'fresh' rating on Rotten Tomatoes and did a billion dollars dollars.

The Dark Knight Rises got an 87% 'fresh' rating on Rotten Tomatoes and nearly did $1.1 billion dollars.

Not sure whose pissing on the Nolan Trilogy (I personally don't like it, preferring Burton's Batman from 1989) but I know I'm in the definite minority. But I also don't go into every thread about those movies or any that are remotely related to voice my displeasure.

Plus, if TOS was so disliked they wouldn't have made six hundred episodes and twelve movies of follow-up material.

You're definitely free to dislike Abrams take on the franchise, I'm lukewarm myself on the first film (don't love it, don't hate it). But I think it's weird that you have to register your dislike every single time the movies are mentioned.